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6 Jun 2008

US Catholic group spends frantically to oppose gay marriage

A Catholic organisation in the United States spent an estimated three-quarters of a million dollars to buy advertisements in three major newspapers to attack homosexuality and same-sex marriage.

Spread over two full pages, the ad appeared on 5 June 2008 in three major newspapers, the Los Angeles Times, the New York Times and the Washington Post.

Poll results on the The American Society for the Defense of Tradition, Family and Property website - captured at press time - showing nearly as many supporters of gay marriage as opponents.
At the Los Angeles Times, each page costs US$113,000. Two pages would have cost US$226,000. The costs in the other newspapers would be similar, thus totaling about three-quarters of a million.

This amount of money would have fed countless hungry children around the world at this time of rising food prices, not to mention helping homeless and injured people in the wake of the Sichuan earthquake.

The campaign was obviously in response to the California Supreme Court decision of May 15, which legalised same-sex marriage. Weddings will start on June 17 and since California has no residency requirement, any couple from anywhere around the world can get married in the state.

New York, for example is gearing up to recognise out-of-state gay marriages such as those contracted in Calfiornia. Governor David Paterson has instructed all government departments to make the necessary changes to procedures and policies to this end, following a New York appellate court decision in February this year that ruled that same-sex couples must be legally recognised in New York, just as the law recognises those of heterosexual couples solemnised elsewhere.

Thunderous objections to same-sex marriage and homosexuality

The two-page ad by The American Society for the Defense of Tradition, Family and Property (text can be found at www.tfp.org) asserted that those who supported same-sex marriage "deny that the self-evident biological, physiological and psychological differences between men and women find their complementarity in marriage, just as they deny that the specific primary purpose of marriage is the perpetuation of the human race and the raising of children."

This is a misreading of social history. Across cultures, marriage as a custom has mainly been for regulating power and property. That's why marriage has always been a public event involving an extended family or the whole clan, rather than a purely private matter between two people. It signals publicly who would in future have exclusive sexual rights over the body of the female, who - including mothers-in-law - would have power over the wife and offspring and who would have inheritance rights. Notice, for example, how common it is for societies to make a distinction between legitimate and illegitimate children.

Christian Europe, for nearly two millennia, was no different in the way it treated marriage. The traditional marriage vow in Church ceremonies included the bride promising to obey and serve her husband, but not the other way around.

The newspaper ad then invoked a sense of threat. It said that by legalising gay marriage, "the State will expect Christians and all people of good will to betray their consciences by condoning, through silence or act, an attack on Divine law and the natural order."

It was interesting how the above attempted to broaden its appeal by referring to "all people of good will," as if those espousing tolerance, inclusiveness and social justice aren't "people of good will."

The second half of the ad was aimed more at homosexuality in general, reminding readers of the "perennial moral doctrine that homosexual acts are intrinsically evil."

It also called on Catholics in public office to (ab)use their public office to advance the Church's position. "The Catholic lawmaker has a moral duty to express his opposition clearly and publicly and to vote against it. To vote in favor of a law so harmful to the common good is gravely immoral."

Finally, it rounds off its attack by threatening excommunication, suggesting that "A Catholic who accepts the practice of homosexuality and same-sex 'marriage' as good renounces natural moral law principles confirmed by Divine Revelation and thus breaks the vow of fidelity made to Our Lord Jesus Christ at baptism."

However, the most interesting sentences in the long advertisement were these: "Civil laws are structuring principles of man's life in society, for good or for ill. They play a very important and sometimes decisive role in influencing patterns of thought and behavior."

It's a tacit admission that people can get used to seeing gay persons and gay marriage as perfectly normal, and in the end see the fallacy of their doctrine.

Only the first wave of the campaign

More such public campaigns will come, not only from Catholic organisations, but certainly from evangelical Protestant groups too, as California gets closer to the November elections when voters are likely to be asked to decide on a constitutional amendment to overturn the recent Supreme Court decision.

In California, a simple majority is all that is needed to amend the constitution to define marriage as something between a man and a woman.

A recent opinion poll conducted by the Field Research Corporation indicated that this is likely to be a close-run thing. It found 51% approval among of registered California voters for the idea of same-sex marriage, with 42% disapproving.

When asked whether they favoured changing the California state constitution to define marriage as only one between a man and woman, 54% said they were against doing so. 40% said they were for changing the charter.

The poll was conducted among 1,052 registered voters in California between May 17-26.

Given margins of error, and the likelihood that opinions will shift over the next few months, the November ballot will probably be a crucial watershed. Stay tuned.

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1. 2008-06-06 21:14  
I really don't get it: why are they so insecure?
3. 2008-06-06 21:59  
There's a mistake on the caption for your pic of the Catholic poll: actually it shows a minority against gay marriage ( you have to add the 2nd and 3rd lines together), but your caption suggests it has a slight majority.

This result is great - it's despite the ridiculous slanting of the leading question towards the Catholic view. Polls are supposed to ask questions in a totally neutral way in order to have any credibility, something that I believe may have been forgotten in Singapore during the 377A debate.

As for the Church meddling, it didn't work in Spain. I suspect Catholic politicians don't like being threatened with excommunication and prefer to form their own view these days.
4. 2008-06-06 23:12  

What is there so hard to digest? The answer, why they are so insecure is simple.

Haven't you heard of the famous hypocrisy of the Catholics? I
know I shouldn't be stereotyping them all, but it's hard to resist. d;-P

Anyhow I am quite impressed by this change, hopefully the rest of the other states will soon be liberal too, though I don't have much of an expectation that a state like Texas or Oklahoma will accept fundamental human rights in the next 10 years. Not if their 'god' is still playing the role as the only true god in the universe that can lead us all to happiness and heaven...

But wait, didn't Christianity encourage slavery according to the fictional bible story? Hmmm how obvious that we all can learn from the past that they don't care much for human rights, instead of human rights, they aim rather only to impose their beliefs on other people, that is only what they really care about...

5. 2008-06-07 00:03  
Divine Schmivine..The reason why i denounce all forms of religion is because they are all based on a dictatorship of one holy clown on a throne somewhere dictating codes of morality to the masses of sheep..ugh

Also if the pope and the Catholic church in general should concentrate all their energy on worthier causes such as poverty and child prostitution instead of mouthing off about homosexuality... but then again we are talking about a religion that is headed by a bigotted hillbilly prude in a fish hat who claimed that the solution to the prevention of aids was to stop using protection and to start abstaining from sex instead...what a twit
6. 2008-06-07 00:45  
Hmm .. If a man & a woman gets married, and one of them changed sex, does the LAW automatically annul the marriage?
Has there been a precedent anywhere in the world?

8. 2008-06-07 04:49  
I have nothing against the religion. But somehow, they sounded like the world should work and behave with accordance to what their God dictates. Moral police? I'm an Atheist, I believe in no GOD or what shit, why should I live in his shadow then? I am really beginning to hate this religion and how it uses its unscrupulous methods to mould the world to think like their ****ing GOD. If GOD do exist, then he should wake up his bloody idea that humans are created not only for procreation. And we are definitely not some human making machine.
9. 2008-06-07 07:45  
I believe in 100% of separation of religions and state matters. If Catholicism and other faiths should be the basic foundation of all nations' laws, there will be persecution on those who doesn't share the same faith and values.

We have seen so much that many religions are used to justify hatred, intolerance, bigotry and hollier than thou attitudes while using them as masks of hypocrisy.

We knows many Catholic pastors etc. are homosexuals in the closet themselves. It's better and happier for them to come out and yet serve whatever God they believe instead of hating gays
while being gays themselves.

It's time for all of us to abandon all superstitions and unscientific fairy tales faiths.
We have enough of them. We don't need any more hateful sermons.

Welcome to the enlightenment!
10. 2008-06-07 10:42  
Aren't they projecting themselves as one of the vicious species of mankind?? Where exactly do they learn from of such 'hatred' towards another man??
Since when did religion became a weapon against each other? Very saddening.....
11. 2008-06-07 13:39  
I am shocked and furious ! I am a Catholic and what I remember from catholic teaching sessions was to love one another and be tolerant and blah blah blah !

"State will expect Christians and all people of good will to betray their consciences by condoning, through silence or act, an attack on Divine law and the natural order." & "perennial moral doctrine that homosexual acts are intrinsically evil" .. .those 2 statements are really shocking !!!

Church expect from us christians to be the living form of love and tolerance, but here they clearly try to persuade every one that homosexuality is so evil and stuffs ! Cant 2 people who love each other , may them be Hetero or Homosexual, be together and formalise it by marriage or any other contract ? There is nothing wrong in that...its so sad..

12. 2008-06-07 14:43  
As a Catholic I see them only doing themselves a disservice.

They're not making common sense decisions, and the more people that see that the more people will leave in droves. I mean, who is willing to put up with some guy standing there telling you that you should be tolerant, peaceful and not judging others when the same people turn around and do it on a large scale aimed at particular groups in society. Total rubbish.

The more people that know someone close to them that's gay the less power the Church as a whole will have so I dunno why they're trying to fight it. Non sense.
13. 2008-06-07 16:16  
wow, this shows how rich they are. why can't they put the money into helping the disaster areas?
15. 2008-06-07 17:32  
I agree with fabulicious 100 percent. The truth is the vatican is completely corrupt in a sense that the pope is a hypocrite..The vatican city itself holds hoarded treasures from ancient times including the Incan gold obtained during the Spanish Inquisition.. The pope therefore is dripping in wealth obtained by murder and slaughter and do you know that in the past catholics were required to pay a fee for every sin they committed? These fees went directly into the hands of the pope and his sheep like drones ( Archdiocese)of course..My point is that the vatican is practically drowning in its wealth and they have their own army for crying out loud and yet they have asked others to give to the poor time and again while they continue to fund hate regimes such as the ban on gay marriage..Oh but of course this would be in line with the fact that they supported the nazis once as well..
16. 2008-06-07 19:56  
Pretty shocking. but not surprising. the catholic church obviously needs an enemy in order to define its place. and this time, gay people pay that bill. it's pure politics. even though, it's disgusting and against their own principles. they dont really care though, that's what politics is all about.
21. 2008-06-07 20:59  

Come to think of it, I guess being considered a
"xhristian Satanist" is pretty apt these days in the face of such man made monstrosities, cos u know, "Satan" has in fact been the best friend the Church has ever had, as "he" has kept it in business all these years.

I genuinely believe that Man is just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his "divine spiritual and intellectual development," has become the most vicious animal of all!

Moral duty my foot. It's just another weapon evil men invented again to keep his enemies down.

Shalom & Om !
22. 2008-06-07 21:00  
Of Christ = Christians
Not Of Christ = Anti-Christ (Satanist) + "xhristians"

Looks like the xhristian churches need more ad space to excommunicate 90% of the world's population. I wonder if aliens from another planet count. :P

I believe in the goodness and love of our Maker and I believe in the role, wisdom and redeeming qualities of Christ, BUT I'm definitely Anti-"xhristian" and anti-any religion, that imposes, controls & disregards the fundamental free will of human rights to basic existence and natural being .

So, essentially, in the eyes of these hypocritical pharisees, those who tolerate/love another fellow child of God whom the former group judges & detests, are probably branded "Satanists";- a people that oppose & attack the Divine Natural Laws of God. Sheez !

23. 2008-06-07 22:23  
'God's followers' wasting money like this to attack happy people rather than help people who need it...

Who are the ones going to hell?? I'm sure God's embarrassed!
24. 2008-06-08 12:55  
Now, why would someone go to such great lengths to try to reverse the inevitable? It's really a reflection of what's going on INSIDE rather than what's taking place OUTSIDE and the Catholic Church has a great deal of tidying up INSIDE :-) !
26. 2008-06-08 13:37  
One word to describe them: OBNOXIOUS.
27. 2008-06-08 15:44  
The Church is running out of programmes. Replay of Nazis will be great!
28. 2008-06-08 17:25  
Wow! Great use of resources.

So the Catholic church cares more about protecting their precious sacred rights of marriage rather than helping..oh let's say..the poor..the sick..

I think there's more important things for the Church to worry about...
31. 2008-06-08 22:02  
Let those fools bankrupt their ownselves. Walk around with ads on their bums, rent a blimp, whatever.
32. 2008-06-09 02:21  
To Post #6 omoshiroi,


Do not fall into their trap by hating their religion. Instead, love their religion, forgive the people of this religion, bless them, love them to the most, and thus they will experience your deep love and forgiveness. If you can, believe in Jesus (not in a 'religion', but in a Person called Jesus). Eventually, they will find that their so call 'religion' is no longer effective in showing love, no more light to shine, and they will then realize they are on the wrong track..

Left wingers, let's fast and pray for the right wingers to have their spiritual eyes opened, realized that they are being used by the evil spirit...
33. 2008-06-09 05:59  
hey, dear 300,000 USD dollars for a ad is nothing compared to what my brother and his partner are planning to spend on their wedding at a Catholic church and getting married by a Catholic priest! In California its no big deal!

the nerve of my brother not even asking me to be the best man though! what's that about?

also how to plan a gay bachelor party? why does that burden fall on me?

finally, I think we should hire a private detective to fully research this guy! he is much too perfect for me liking and everything is happening much too fast!

does my brother really love this guy or are they getting married now just because they legally can?

Wow, I need to devise a plot to stop them or at least slow them down!

if he gets married, now its gonna put too much pressure on me!

I mean I couldn't even find a date to go with me to Vegas for the Cher concert . . . how am I going to find someone to go with me and that person is going to be in all the wedding pictures!

weddings really suck, why did they have to make gay marriage legal so fast!

suddenly my life is so complicated and I am not prepared for all these gay weddings I am suppose to go to! 2008 is the year I get stuck with forking out serious cash to go to all these weddings and the gifts I am expected to give, etc.

where is fucking Miss Gay Miss Manners when you need him?
34. 2008-06-09 06:24  
For eons they've believed in immaculate conception... what do you expect from such idiots?
Plus, they're fascists -bent on imposing unto others their own phobias.
35. 2008-06-09 09:59  
50% are dumb .50% voted for Bush . all god lovers .
and hate others , what a strange mix .
well sure as we gays are spontaneous and not thought we are far more powerful and longer lasting that any religion.
if god exist let him come and explain what he has to say on the matter not all thes lost of a cause people.
they should put the cash to help the poor really , pathetic.
38. 2008-06-09 12:00  
Nothing surprising here, it's always been in line with their mentality. So just leave them to their vainglorious devices, we have far better things to do.
39. 2008-06-09 18:41  
Also spare a thought for the greed of the newspapers who willingly take that advertising revenue knowing full well what the ad content is. Yes, also be shocked at unscrupulous media people (someone should do an expose on on the ad-sales reps at these papers I wanna know who they are and why they think it's OK to print this rubbish....Alex Au- there's a suggestion for you)....who not only agreed to run these ads in the first place, but bank the cash and bash the gays. These guys not only allowed hate content to go out into the world- but also GOT PAID TO DO IT! They are just as vile as these Church groups.
43. 2008-06-10 13:57  
on a side note, a happy couple :)

'Gay US bishop and long-term partner in civil union ceremony'
回應#45於於2011-08-21 18:53被作者刪除。
46. 2008-06-11 06:22  
Young people understand that gay marriage is so obvious whereas old people are very uncomfortable about it. It's the differences between generations.
47. 2008-06-13 18:31  
There's an earthquake in China, a tyhoon in Burma and a whole lot of disasters happening around the world that could do with some money and aid to save lives, etc, and what do they choose to spend their dosh on that is oh so earth shatteringly important that would deny the victims of said natural disasters at least one bit of solace?

Dear me.
48. 2008-06-16 15:26  
In response to CharlieHuang (post #31):

That's because sex is more important than saving lives (tongue-in-cheek) :p...bt you get the picture, their obsession with all things sex is near-lengendary :p





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