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26 Mar 2012

2 US gay men arrested on Caribbean cruise, recall 'horrible' experience

Two California men pleaded guilty to indecent exposure in the Caribbean island of Dominica after they were arrested on suspicion of the local equivalent of sodomy, which prohibits sex between two men.

It's a holiday turned nightmare for two American gay men who were arrested last Wednesday in Dominica, where sex between two men is illegal. 


John Robert Hart and Dennis Jay Mayer (right) 

The men identified in the media as John Robert Hart, 41, and Dennis Jay Mayer, 53, were on a gay cruise organised by Atlantis Events, a Southern California company that specialises in gay travel. They were on the Celebrity Summit cruise ship that carried some 2,000 passengers. Celebrity is a subsidiary of Royal Caribbean Cruises Ltd.


The pair, who are reportedly in a 17-year relationship, were allegedly seen having sex on the cruise ship by someone on the dock, and were initially charged with buggery (equivalent to sodomy) before they were eventually charged with indecent exposure. They were ordered to pay a fine of US$4,000.

Mayer, a retired police officer, said in an US TV interview: "This was a horrible experience. I'm not going to implicate myself one way or another, but we were charged with being naked on the balcony."

He told KTLA news the local authorities even wanted to have them medically evaluated. 

"They were going to transport us to a medical facility and have us medically examined to determine if we had engaged in sexual activity."

The men were held in in a cell at police headquarters in the capital of Roseau for 19 hours, and Mayer said the small cement cell they were stuck in was inhumane. "No light, no water, no toilet," he said. "We were taunted all night long. They paraded us around like we were some oddity."

Businessweek quoted Atlantis Events President Rich Campbell, who was aboard the cruise, as saying that the company has organised many trips to Dominica and would "happily return" although Mayer has confirmed that he'd never return to Dominica.

He calls what happened to Mayer and Hart "minor" and "unfortunate." 

"The guests were in the wrong place at the wrong time, and like getting a speeding ticket were simply caught, nothing more," Campbell said.

"Many countries and municipalities that gay men visit and live in have antiquated laws on their books," he said. "These statutes don't pose a concern to us in planning a tourist visit."

"The guests' actions were unfortunate but minor in this case and have no bearing on our overall guest experience," he added.

The Caribbean Islands is a popular cruise region even for gay cruises despite sodomy being illegal in the majority of those countries. In 2010, the Cayman Islands rejected the arrival of an Atlantis gay cruise amid protests from religious groups even though homosexuality is legal on the archipelago. The presence of gay cruises in the region has also riled several other conservative islands including Jamaica and Grenada, where sodomy is illegal.

Watch KTLA news video here and here.


1. 2012-03-26 21:33  
"The pair, ..... were allegedly seen having sex on the cruise ship by someone on the dock, and were initially charged with buggery (equivalent to sodomy) before they were eventually charged with indecent exposure. They were ordered to pay a fine of US$4,000."

Mayer, ...."This was a horrible experience. I'm not going to implicate myself one way or another, but we were charged with being naked on the balcony."

Well, Even Canada legalize gay marriage that does not mean you can have sex and naked in public. In the ship, there are always have minor and people who are conservative. They will be charged no manner where there are in the world. Perhaps Canadian prison has better conditions.

GOOD FINE AND GAVE THEM A GOOD LESSON. Mayer was a police office, he should know he would be charged in USA if he do the same stuff there. Do not blame Caribbean islands. Well done to the authorities. They shame us as gay.

Canada has legal naked beaches. Of cause, not for fcuking. lol
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2. 2012-03-26 22:13  
Oblige to the local laws and don t feel so terrible. DRAMA QUEENS!
3. 2012-03-26 22:34  
seen having sex on the cruise ship,,,as in on the deck,,or in their room...If in their room,,,we as normal human being would of coz have sex with our own partner right? whats wrong with that? Unless they were doing it in public like on the deck, on the corridor or somewhere passengers can see...Other than that,,,i dont see why they cant have sex even in private..
4. 2012-03-26 23:28  
Last I checked, a man and a woman would be arrested for public sex. This is no different. It is stupifying to see why anyone would challenge local laws with a flagrant violation thereof, especially in their 40s and 50's, and one being a cop, and in the Carribean of all places!

Going on vacation does not mean leaving your brain at home.
5. 2012-03-26 23:34  
1-2: what do you not understand about the word "allegedly"?
What do you not understand ALL gay sex, private or otherwise, is illegal in Dominica?

To the president of Atlantis who feels this was "minor": you can f. off, taking a gay cruise to a destination "happily" that is illegal to be gay is pretty down right stupid.
6. 2012-03-27 01:56  
Sorry.... Sex in public? That's just plain bad judgement; that's just plain looking for troubles. Sorry I don't really have any sympathy.
7. 2012-03-27 03:57  
"allegedly" mean accused. it is uncertain wether they really did have sex in public

but if they do, well it's them who played with fire, so don't get all grumpy if u get burnt.
8. 2012-03-27 05:43  
They were lucky...can you imagine if it had been Dubai!
9. 2012-03-27 05:52  
What about the passengers who pay to be on the ship that take them there? What would you call them? I have friends who were on the ship and said that they saw 2 men "going at it" as they (my friends) were de-boarding. I personally think the 2 Californians got off easy with just fines. If you can't respect the culture/law of the country, don't go there...
10. 2012-03-27 06:11  
If their accusers were correct: Time for the gentlemen to take stock and take some sensitivity training. What else have them been up to and others have kindly looked the other way. Is the problem vanity, or couldn't-care- less-what-people-think attitude?
11. 2012-03-27 07:15  
good for you,. so the next time you do your sex thing be sure to do that in a private room. stop being exhibitionist, you are old enough to know the rules of being descent.
12. 2012-03-27 07:17  
I don't understand. Why would a business book a "Gay" cruise to a place where being "Gay" is illegal? To the president of Atlantis who feels this was "minor", what's going on? It's bad enough that we have people making noise (religious fanatics), archaic laws, and those that are afraid of them, but really, we don't need businesses (gay friendly or not) screwing us too. My people / our people, lets use whats between our ears and stick together and stay away from businesses that put us in harms way. Don't forget, if you are "Gay", there is absolutely nothing wrong with you, and love yourself unconditionally!
13. 2012-03-27 08:22  
It was not about gay sex in a gay cruise. It was about having sex in a private room/place but exposed to public view. Even both of them were straight couple. They would be punished regardless he was fcuking or licking a C or P. lol Right?
"....were allegedly seen having sex on the cruise ship by someone on the dock,...." Viewed from public place to private room/balcony. They like it, everyone disagree? It would be so excited to have a fcuking show like Titani. lol

Can anyone here tell me a place in this planet allow you to have sex publicly without breaking the laws INCLUDING in the legal naked beaches for human being (except animals)? NO. The couple broke the law not because they are gay, simply indecency in public.

In Canada, it is illegal to be nude in a public place, or while on private property but exposed to public view. Take a look at the Canadian news in order not to blame the Caribbean island of Dominica. We would charge the guys the same stuff even in New York or Singapore or China, Hong Kong or... In Arab countries, lol They would have been killed before have a chance to appear in the court.

Read more: http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Canada/20120112/bracebridge-ontario-public-nudity-laws-challenge-ruling-120112/#ixzz1qGpXa4aO

14. 2012-03-27 09:07  
"Mayer said the small cement cell they were stuck in was inhumane. "No light, no water, no toilet," he said. "We were taunted all night long. They paraded us around like we were some oddity."

"Mayer, a retired police officer, said in an US TV interview... we were charged with being naked on the balcony."

Good lesson to both of you. You would be charged in Canada too but we have better quality cell and conditional to lock both of you. They were made in Canada not China. lol lol

Mayer, you were a police officer. You should know the nudity laws in USA. Sorry to judge on you. I think both of you have NO BRAIN at all. I hope you read my message CLEAR. Stupid. You made gays so fcuking shame in your case.

Since both of you like expose your sex publiclly. Why not work as a porn star. Legal and making good money too.
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15. 2012-03-27 09:08  
Why do they have to do it in public ???? We want equality , we want to be accepted , but is such a behaviour acceptable ??

16. 2012-03-27 09:19  
I went to a gay strip (nude) club (agogo boy club) in Toronto last night. A nude dancer was having oral sex with a client in the club. Wow. It was cool. I like it. lol Canadian police tried to charge the club few years ago but lost the case in the court. The court's ruling was in favor of the private club because the government have no legal right to interfere in a private adult club. They as adult can have sex or being nude in the club, which has no negative impact to the society. Therefore the police cannot even enter the club without a court's warrant. Nudity and having sex in a private club is legal in Canada.
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17. 2012-03-27 11:21  
Get a room.
18. 2012-03-27 11:54  
#17, I totally agree. Funny that many gay men feel they have a right to flaunt their crown jewels for everyone to see. Sure, fuck all you want in the privacy of your own space but one does not have to let it all hang out for the general public to see just because one feels entitled. It's called common decency and being socially graceful. Being gay is NOT the same as being LEWD. The norms of common decency apply to ALL, gay or straight.
19. 2012-03-27 12:06  
Hahaha!!! visit here in the middle east... see which is worse... ready for a two year imprisonment with lashes?
i dont think someone will accuse you of doing something illegal if there's no burden of proof. whats their interest if youre just basking under the sun?
Lesson - when go places, do what Romans do.
20. 2012-03-27 12:26  
They were outside on their balcony in view of the public having sex.
Sorry but guilty as charged. If they were in their bedroom no issue. Cmon why do gay people have the need to flaunt their sexuality where heteros do not?
Do u need to have sex on the balcony during the day where people can see?
21. 2012-03-27 12:46  
It is called New version of TITANIC for gay world. lol
22. 2012-03-27 13:56  
Stupid is as stupid does... what on earth were they thinking!
23. 2012-03-27 16:40  
The arrogance of some gay people does astonish me. We demand equality but some of us think it's okay to behave like this and cry 'persecution' when people object. I'm a broad minded person but even I would be offended at the sight of two people (gay or straight) behaving inappropriately in a public place. Save open sex acts for saunas and sex clubs guys. These two really should have known better.
24. 2012-03-27 17:13  
too bad they were caught, if i were the one who saw them.. with out second thought i will join them!
25. 2012-03-27 18:19  
Get a life first, and then get a room :-)
And how was this like getting a speeding fine? Unless you were having sex while you were speeding.....
26. 2012-03-27 18:41  
Yes, get a room. The quote is interesting "I'm not going to implicate myself one way or another, but we were charged with being naked on the balcony." Gay or not, if you're naked where you shouldn't be - be prepared for consequences... And regarding the destination the organisers planned - what does that have to do with public sex? Time for gay guys to take responsibility for their behaviour!
27. 2012-03-27 18:45  
this issue is more on the bad judgement of the two men as they handled themselves in public...
28. 2012-03-27 18:47  
Are Americans really as stupid and self centered as they seem to be?
29. 2012-03-27 22:37  
"they were ordered to pay a fine of US$4,000." I do not understand. Is that US$4000 used to clean the "area” that has been messed by those 2 gay men or used to purify the eyes of those "defiled" by those 2 gay men?
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31. 2012-03-27 23:33  
Look above all for their behavior and anger.
Do we believe that crime in any public place sex? Have you?

Remember a few years ago the case of Singapore, Two men have sex in public toilets? Also be fined. We can not simply say "Sex musn‘t be in public place“. Sex at any public area are an offense, Even if no presence of any other outsider。Is this reasonable? Can we all accept?I doubt。

Some even ashamed of their behavior. In fact, we need not for everyone crime and ashamed, even if he is a homosexual. Every day there are thousands of crimes on the one hundred cases. If that happens, we must already whom shame is dead.
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33. 2012-03-28 09:59  
Well, think twice before realizing your fantasy!!!
34. 2012-03-28 11:09  
Sorry but if they were a straight couple they would never have been arrested.....whatever there are millions of islands all over the word no reason to visit that ignorant wasteland
35. 2012-03-28 22:52  
#34 They would be arrested in Canada even they are straight couple. In Canada, it is illegal to be nude in a public place, or while on private property but exposed to public view. Having sex in public. +++ more punishment. lol
36. 2012-03-29 07:03  
The story's theme of public sex + all these mentions of Canada and I can't help recalling all the shenanigans that used to go down in the Toronto Blue Jays Skydome. Almost every season from the early 1990s, a couple would be caught having sex by the window of their inside the stadium hotel rooms. Here's one picked up by national TV cameras:

(The 1st 53 seconds are tit exposure)
37. 2012-03-30 03:55  
@32 wrote: No wondered Fridae has a new “Announcement Revised Photo Policy”.

an amazingly I doubt there will an article explaining that one on Fridae!
38. 2012-03-30 22:30  
$4,000 seems to be behind it all.

On a wider note the US can extradite people who have never set foot in the USofA for crimes that are not crimes in their own country. But when abroad just don't get caught.
39. 2012-03-31 07:52  
Now I know that since the cruise ship was in Dominica's water, and maritime laws state that they have authority over the captain regarding the laws of the lands, but really, even in the story, it doesn't say that they had sex in public!!!!!!

In fact, NO ARTICLES ever said that the pair had sex in public. It always stated that someone (anyone even a local Dominican) on the DOCK, saw the pair had sex on the cruise ship, which means it could have been their own room and the person saw through the porthole. Funny, how no articles ever pointed out where they were seen. I don't understand why the rush judgement that they actually had sex in public. We must remember this country is homophobic and any slight man-loving going on will be subjected to harsh critiques, so I'm a little more weary of what actually happened.

Now the charges lowered to 'indecent exposure', okay so the question comes to mind, did both of them walked around naked on the ship when it was docked or in Dominican's waters?? Did NO ONE thought about that? This case seems to bring more questions than answers really.
40. 2012-04-01 14:20  
get a room lads, being gay it doesn't mean that you have to expose your sexual activities in public.
41. 2012-04-03 22:19  
doesn't seem Atlantis can offer much protection when the local authority step into a supposing-happy-vacation........... i had been to La Demence cruise around the Mediterranean and it was truly a carefree holidays. my hubby and i were planning to join Atlantis at the caribbean this March, but now i feel better i didn't!

-- will be safer to join Atlantis cruise at the europe side, i think.
42. 2012-04-05 11:29  
Someone said, "If they were a hetero couple they would never have been arrested?" How do YOU know? That is supposition on YOUR part.

My own sense of fairness says that (1) any individual, or (2) parents who escorting their children, walking on the beach or using a toilet, have a right not to trip over a couple of any persuasion "going at it" like a couple of stray dogs. I think human beings should conduct themselves better.

And while I am at it, many gay websites are BLOCKED in some countries because of the cavalier attitude they take toward local sensitivities. Thus one may not otherwise be able to communicate with a friend on manjam or manhunt, gaydar, gayromeo, etc. Why? just look at some of their imagery especially on exit. Imagine the offense given by a parent with his kids in a Vietnamese or Indonesian internet cafe, on seeing some of this porn.

We want fairness? We need to GIVE it. That means not knocking over others' morality while they try to make room for us. Acting civilized. Do we fart in crowded lifts just because we feel like it? All that old fashioned stuff that does not give much sensual gratification, or are some of us just centered on that in our lives? So kudos to Fridae for the "Revised Photo Policy". Put a face in that profile, no more "TAD" (tits ass, and dix). I am so tired of seeing those worthless f***ing profiles.
43. 2012-04-05 18:03  
It is very strange. Sex scenes and nudity still offense , but the TV news, movies are filled with the bloody war scenes and terror murders. No one has been prosecuted because of that. People here will not be make such commts and angers because of that.
Are we all believe that sex and nudity are dirty and evil?
Are we all think it is sin(even in public)?
I couldn't understant.
44. 2012-04-07 21:46  
I think we should find out the custom of place we are visting and taboos as well.such an unforgetable experience for you 2.
45. 2012-04-07 22:35  
@penstate79: I think you're right when you say that we need to think of the moral sensibility of others, but I also think that that cuts both ways. The repulsion that many feel against homosexuality, especially outside the West, is matched by the repulsion that people, many of them in the West, feel against polygamy.
46. 2012-04-11 10:15  
Glad that most of you can see this the right way - that it's not a case of discrimination/whatever, but simply a lack of common sense and following the law of the land (or in this case, the law of pretty much any land).

Recently spoke with a couple friends who were on that very cruise.

The guys in question were pure exhibitionists, doing it right there on their balcony for all to see (and photograph) while the ship was docked in Dominica. Now that's asking for trouble, regardless of the country you're in (or your sexual orientation). Sex in any way, shape or form shouldn't be out in the open for kids to see, right?

When I first heard media reports, I was thinking how unfortunate/whatever, these guys were victimized. But after hearing the perspective of fellow passengers, I can't offer any sympathies for dumb behavior that had no attempt at discretion.
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