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11 May 2010

19-year-old cross-dressing male contestant stands up to judge on China TV talent show

The video which shows a 19-year-old contestant Liu Zhu standing his ground despite being repeatedly interrupted and verbally abused by a judge during his performance during a TV singing contest has caused a minor stir in China.

Nineteen-year-old contestant Liu Zhu stunned judges when he appeared on stage dressed like a woman and sounded like one when he sang at a singing contest for men.

Liu Zhu, a 19-year-old contestant and male student at the Sichuan Conservatory of Music: “This way is more natural, if I purposely dress like a boy just for this contest, I think it would be very fake.”

The video clip has attracted almost four million views and 8,700 comments on Youku, a China-based video hosting service; and over 56,000 views on YouTube since it was uploaded on May 1, 2010.

Despite having expressed her doubts and quizzing the contestant about his hair and asking for his identity card prior to his performance on the "Super Boy" or 快乐男声 singing contest held in Chengdu, Sichuan Province, one of the judges, Anni Meigui or Annie Rose, stopped Liu twice in the middle of his performance and asked if he preferred for a male judge or a female judge to verify his gender. 

Liu told the Anni Meigui, a guest judge on the show, that he was not lying about his true gender.

The judge then asked Liu, a student of the Sichuan Conservatory of Music, to show his identity card and suggested that Internet users should search for his true sexual identity.

Liu was interrupted a second time with the judge asking for his full name, home address and details of the school he is attending.

During an interview backstage after his performance, Liu was quoted as saying that he has dressed this way since he was young, and his family has already accepted him.

When asked why didn't he try to appear more masculine since he was taking part in a contest for men, he said: “This way is more natural, if I purposely dress like a boy just for this contest, I think it would be very fake.”

When pressed about not appearing more masculine since he is a male, Liu replied: "I am indeed a boy, and I dress like this every day, but I think everyone has their own choice, their own way of life." When asked if he is upset with the questions, he said he is used to them and that being asked questions about his gender and appearance is "normal."

China's Global Times reported that despite cross-dressing, Liu said he has not considered a sex-change operation because he likes his body the way it is.

The report noted that "cross-dressing is gaining acceptance in the country after boyish-looking Li Yuchun, winner of the 2005 'Super Girl' contest, inspired a wave of gender-ambiguous fashion."

Chen Sixuan, a psychologist who writes about gender issues, told the Global Times that it is not much of a problem as long as Liu is not confused by his gender. 

"If he is not confused, then I don't think cross-dressing is much of a problem. It won't do harm to other people," she said. 

Xie Jinchuan, a sociologist from the Communications University of China, told china.org.cn it is irrational to attack the show as some conservative commentators have accused the show for spreading "unhealthy values."

He added: "Performance is performance. They are simply men playing women's roles on stage. They are following in the footsteps of many famous performers."

Translation provided by China Hush blog:

Judge Annie Rose (安妮玫瑰) first asked if his hair was real then asked to see his ID, and then even asked to examine his gender.

“I am still suspicious about your identity. Can we examine your gender?”

“How do you examine?”

“Do you choose a male judge or a female judge to verify? I still have doubts about your identity. I think you are a girl.”

“I didn’t lie. Thank you.”

“But I feel if you are lying, you are playing tricks on us and the viewers.”

“I didn’t lie or play tricks on you.”

“Then I hope the netizens will human flesh search you! Can you swear on your dignity?”

“I can swear on it on anything…”

Reader's Comments

1. 2010-05-11 18:47  
Hallelujah! More power to him!
2. 2010-05-11 19:13  
Amazingly, his voice is just like the girl next door's voice. In fact, his whole image and mannerisms are very close to the girl-next-door's. Simply amazing!
3. 2010-05-11 19:35  
standing up to being ridiculed ... not something most men i knew would ... or could do ... especially on national tele

Liu Zhu is more manly than most guys i know / go out with ;)

you go Girl!

4. 2010-05-11 19:46  
I think it is wrong of the judge to ask some of the questions, such as home address to a national audience. It is obvious that she wanted to do him harm and embarrass him. I am glad he stood his ground. I wish more would do the same. A friend of mine told me last week that China is 75% men, is this true? I wonder how many of them would be happy if more of these guys dressed like girls?
5. 2010-05-11 20:20  
6. 2010-05-11 20:21  
You go girl, I mean boy!
7. 2010-05-11 20:21  
You go girl, I mean boy! Blurring of gender identity once again!
8. 2010-05-11 20:21  
his voice is awsome!!! no one should judge!! the stupid girl judge is a bitch.. !! wtf man..!!!!!!!!!!!! plus, that judge doesnt seem to be smiling.. and she kept asking. 'which school do u go to???' like so many times. wtf mate.
ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! he came to sing, not to be questioned!!

i agree with Rickyboi69.. its national televison dude!!..
9. 2010-05-11 20:31  
Those two judges are bitches and just jealous that he looks better than them and have a good voice! Thank god he stood up to them and showed them! heheheheheheh
10. 2010-05-11 20:31  
He clearly has musical talent and one thing is clear from this incident; he will be now famous for his talent and incredible fortitude and maturity in handling offensive situations. Good luck Liu Zhu. I'm certain you will be famous for all the right reasons.

As for the vicious female judge, she just embarrassed herself now. Even her co-judges cannot believe she kept attacking pretty Liu Zhu, and they just wanted to hear the talent. Perhaps the bitchy judge was threatened by how even a man is more attractive than her..Lol.
11. 2010-05-11 20:34  
This is a classic case of being true to oneself.
I wonder if any of us are as brave as she is when being confronted.
Or do we deny ourself of our own sexual identity.
12. 2010-05-11 21:13  
Personaly.... I think he looks very beautiful and has a very pretty voice. Definatly has talent. Maybe a certain judge is jelous as the other two didnt seem to have so much of a problem. Mind you, the singer looks better than the bitter, fat old sea hag of a judge anyway.

13. 2010-05-11 21:16  
I am what I am!
14. 2010-05-11 21:41  
Liu Zhu is our precious.
15. 2010-05-11 22:16  
just stand up for the those.
16. 2010-05-11 22:27  
You go boi!!!!!!:)
17. 2010-05-11 22:55  
You are very brave! And I admire your courage. Many people will be feeling nervous by just going thru an audition. But you have to face verbal abuses as well. Great job!!
18. 2010-05-11 23:02  
WOw... She is awesome!
19. 2010-05-11 23:08  
You are, beautiful :)
20. 2010-05-11 23:39  
Go GO GO! :)
21. 2010-05-11 23:44  
著姐 你扬名海外了
22. 2010-05-12 00:07  
good for him....and I bet he's damn hot too!

also, dont the juges know "super boy" is SUPER GAY??? COMMON!!! I got wood just reading the show title
23. 2010-05-12 00:09  
Even though i have no clear understanding of mandarin, those judges were pricks to interrupt her in the middle of her songs. The singer is a natural. I guess the bitch lady is jealous because the singer is not only a guy but shes has the talent. You go girl
24. 2010-05-12 00:15  
whoa what a voice
25. 2010-05-12 00:17  
He is really pretty and talented!!! :D
26. 2010-05-12 00:20  
The judge is obviously jealous and is beside herself over how real (s)he looks. Get over it, bitch! (S)he looks REAL! Realer than you'll ever look in your lifetime.
27. 2010-05-12 00:25  
Funny I was just translating this video for a friend yesterday. That judge is really vile and should never be qualified as a judge.
28. 2010-05-12 00:36  
I'll vote for him no matter how much money i should spend, 加油
he's the real star we need to have for future,,, despite Gentlemen Gaga or Lady George
29. 2010-05-12 00:46  
WOW I love his voice! It's so alluring. He is really very, very pretty!
30. 2010-05-12 00:52  
Hope he moves to a new step in life and make us proud.
31. 2010-05-12 01:14  
That just "Rose" is such a bitxh! Sorry for my language... but she doesn't know what manner is... it is on national television for crying out loud!!

And Liu Zhu was really really nice! I would have just yell at that b on stage and tell her to get a grip! And she is GOOD!!! wow! I take my hat off for you bud!
32. 2010-05-12 01:23  
bitch judge! liu zhu jiayou..!!!
33. 2010-05-12 01:24  
I love her looks, her voice, her guts and her style. As for the judge, she is rude, obnoxious and unkind.

I think all the fridae and worldwide internet users should blog the show and sign a petition for unfair treatment!

Go Liu Zhu!!!!
34. 2010-05-12 01:29  
He's a woman.
35. 2010-05-12 01:42  
Who is that f**king ass hole judge anyway... Don't like her..anyway he is awesome....
Comment edited on 2010-05-12 01:43:16
36. 2010-05-12 02:00  
agreed. judge is unprofessional and need to grow the fxxx up.
37. 2010-05-12 02:06  
OK...who is the bitch of the female judge on this show? What right does she have to question where he went to school and where his id was? This is a contest not a gender inquisition. I would urge Chinese people to boycott this lame excuse of bigoted entertainment until they replace the judge on this show with someone who sees talent for what it is....talent....and not someone's personal identity choice. That bitch of a judge on the panel...your career is over!
Comment #38 was deleted by its author on 2010-05-12 02:09
39. 2010-05-12 02:09  
40. 2010-05-12 02:29  
Liu is the schoolmate of one of my best friend in high school. My friend who is lesbian told me Liu is super beautiful dressing like a girl and he's got excellent voice.
It's totally wrong that a judge interrupted him for the stupid questions on his gender rather then the music itself. This is a singing competition after all.
Anyway. many people support him! he's hot!
41. 2010-05-12 03:24  
I'm in love! Oh wait, that's not very useful... Okay, well... Liu has Much nicer hair than the judges... Damn - still not a useful comment. Third time lucky:

Obviously, Liu should stick to his guns, as we say, and not let other people drag him down. I know a couple of Trans people, as well as some *extremely* effeminate guys - but they're just my friends. People, with lives, families, hopes, dreams and problems - in other words, some things about them are a little unusual - but they're just unusual because everyone around them is different. Inside, they're just people, and just my friends, and I really, Really hate intolerant, small-minded people who'd stare at him, and maybe be rude to Liu too. (I'd stare too - in awe!)

So, good luck to him, and I wish him well, as well as hoping that similar people have more confidence in who they are... :-)
42. 2010-05-12 03:49  
Its your time to shine LIU...Gogogoggo!!!
43. 2010-05-12 04:26  
Well done Liu!!!
Bon Courage y muy buena Suerte!!
44. 2010-05-12 07:42  
He's a pretty boy! The ugly female judge was sick with envy and couldn't stand it. I guess it's normal for ugly people to be jealous of the pretty ones -- but can you blame them?
45. 2010-05-12 07:44  
Bottom line: Can he sing- absolutely! Who cares how he's dressed.
46. 2010-05-12 07:46  
fuck u annie rose!! u should go to hell
47. 2010-05-12 09:04  
The bigoted judge should be removed. She deserves a career collapse! And, onward and upward for the contestant. Style and courage!
48. 2010-05-12 09:47  
Can the judge just let her sing first then talk,.???!!
I think Annie Rose is very RUDE,...!
49. 2010-05-12 10:20  
50. 2010-05-12 10:24  
This judge seems to be a bit insecure and desparately trying to improve her own ratings. Not only that when it comes to respecting others she has shown herself to arrogant, rude and extremely disrespectful!
If the producers of this show want to have true entertainment presented, they should also have judges who are open minded and know the limits of their questions or coments.
I say HURRAH for Liu Zhu for standing up to this judge!
51. 2010-05-12 10:29  
There's no doubt about Judge Annie Rose's gender... she's a super bitch.
52. 2010-05-12 10:35  
The judge was incredibly rude, let the kid finish singing!

Also, if you are going to criticise someone for gender bending, then it would help not to look like a bad drag act yourself. Maybe the evil old hag was just jealous. Honestly, at 4;47 she look like Jiang Quing/Madame Mao come back from the grave to conduct one final "self critisisim session".
53. 2010-05-12 10:38  
AWESOME! the looks, the voice, and most importantly, the courage to stand up to bullying bigots!!!!
54. 2010-05-12 11:22  
pretty :D
55. 2010-05-12 11:42  
it totally makes me cringe whenever i see a simon cowell wannabe.... Alot of judges simply couldn't comprehend the fine line between british humor vs plain distastefulness.......
Comment #56 was deleted by its author on 2010-05-12 11:58
57. 2010-05-12 12:04  
it is really saddening to see how our social acceptance on entertainment has come down to beating people up = funny..... :S
58. 2010-05-12 12:24  
the whole show is a joke!
But this guy is really pretty..
59. 2010-05-12 12:47  
Dear Liu Zhu, your talent is gifted and I think you're such an adorable person. Please don't get upset from other negative comments or harassment. You are who you are. You have your own rights to be yourself, I think everyone does; Wishing you all the best! I'm certainly looking forward to see more of your talents. Cheers! Patric S.
60. 2010-05-12 12:52  
that judge is extremely rude & un civilized , if the boy is happy with what he likes . she is asking too many personal questions ... If I was the part of this program I would have certainly ripped that bitch judge into parts ...
61. 2010-05-12 13:02  
Sadly these judges forget that in much of Chinese opera and art into the 20th century men always played womens roles. What is the big deal?
They just cannot get over the fact that a man can perform so well?
Well time for some new and open minded judges who have enough intellect and understanding which these do not seem to have.
They should not care a bit if he is dressed in a skirt or sailor suit. performance is performance...

It is always great to stand alone and above the crowd.. Hold your head high and know you performed far better than any of the judges.

I encourage your work and performance! bravo! Or just to annoy the judges "brava"
Comment edited on 2010-05-12 14:21:48
62. 2010-05-12 13:06  
he looks alrite
63. 2010-05-12 14:42  
刘著 你真的火了 新加坡朋友都知道你了,liu zhu you really become a superstar nowadays, all the frens in this web alreadi know u , omg , support u
64. 2010-05-12 15:18  
65. 2010-05-12 15:28  
For those who do not understand mandarin, the other 2 co-judges were supportive and friendly and kept impressing to bitchy Annie Rose to just let Liu sing and let admin deal with other matters. So, there's only 1 villain here. :)
66. 2010-05-12 15:35  
liu zhu is so very beautiful and talented, i think we should just prefer calling liu zhu as "her" or "she" rather than a "he".

one very beautiful brave girl. i mean look at her.. gender is not based on whats between your legs... so for me, i'd rather refer liu zhu as her/girl/woman/.. :)

go girl...more power to you, and godbless you always :)
67. 2010-05-12 15:53  
I don't really understand Chinese. Is this show meant only for men only?
68. 2010-05-12 16:58  
fuck that old rose bitch!!!
Comment #69 was deleted by its author on 2010-05-12 21:19
70. 2010-05-12 18:53  
Well, I'm going to go against the trend here... please read and consider my comments thoughtfully before flaming me or bashing what I say.

This young man is NOT gender-confused. He's certainly not transsexual, so it's completely incorrect to use the pronouns "she" and "her." He is male through and through. He seems to self-identify as male, apparently likes his boy bits just fine, and states that he has no intention to change that. He just likes to dress up like a girl. He may not even be gay -- wouldn't acknowledge it. He is -- let's be frank -- a drag queen. Nothing more. To go on a MEN'S singing competition dressed as a frilly girl is not heroic, nor is it laudable. It's honestly a bit ridiculous and I'm not even sure why this is a lead story on Fridae, other than gays and drag queens are usually lumped together, although plenty of heterosexual men have dressed in drag.

He looks lovely as a girl, and has a nice voice, and I can't really condone the judge's persistent and insulting line of questioning, but clearly this boy knew what he was getting himself into. If a woman showed up at a female beauty pageant dressed like a total man, she'd probably be disqualified and escorted from the stage. Why is this any different? For all we know, the boy is just seeking attention and fame. There's nothing here to inspire the indignant waving of a gay pride flag.

Anyway, that's my opinion and it's based only on the facts as provided here and in the linked stories. Please don't bash me for swimming against the stream. :)
71. 2010-05-12 19:05  
the other judge (not the bitchy one)- Ding Wei has been very supported to Liu. At 0.58, she said she is going to break the tradition n judge only Liu's music. Everytime Annie Rose interuped, Ding Wei kept encouraging Liu to focus on his perfomance.

Liu Zhu is amazing. I have been following his news recently.
He is now in Shenzhen preparing for the next elimination.
Good Luck (though i know he won't need it la).
72. 2010-05-12 19:15  
Chad (@70):"To go on a MEN'S singing competition dressed as a frilly girl is not heroic, nor is it laudable"

- I disagree with you, chad, I think it probably made people think a bit about gender and stereotypes and what they take for granted, whatever the nature of the performer may be, plus she handled the outraged judge with poise and dignity.

"If a woman showed up at a female beauty pageant dressed like a total man...".

That would be really great, someone should do that!

See this para in the article:

'The report noted that "cross-dressing is gaining acceptance in the country after boyish-looking Li Yuchun, winner of the 2005 'Super Girl' contest, inspired a wave of gender-ambiguous fashion." '

73. 2010-05-12 19:57  
Hehehe... I'm glad you are so proactive and embracing the elimination of all "gender stereotypes," steveuk. You should totally wear a dress and high heels to your job tomorrow since you're in such support of abolishing society's gender norms. (kidding)

I'm by NO means bigoted, and if someone self-identifies with the opposite gender or is in fact transsexual, then I'd fully support them (and have done so, back in my home city). But if one of my male subordinates showed up at the office in a mini-skirt tomorrow because he decided he wanted to just dress like a girl, I would ask, "What the hell?" and I'm pretty sure most of us would, too, you included. :)

That said, I appreciate the nice tone of your comment. Nothing wrong with disagreeing with someone and I do thank you for the civility. Wish more were like you!
74. 2010-05-12 20:17  
bye d way he is pretty n can sing well
congrats to him @ her..
75. 2010-05-12 21:09  
@73, chad, thanks for the polite response, but on the issue I think you're overstating my comment, and shifting the context from a talent show, to radical drag in the workplace, to make your comment about this performer look more reasonable.

As for me putting on a dress and some heels, hey there's quite a tradition in my country for ultra butch heterosexual men like rugby players to get drunk and cross dress, and for boy scouts to put on annual shows were they dress up as girl ballerinas, and not forgetting Shakespeare wrote several entire plays based on gender-bending and cross-dressing. I wouldn't have a problem with it if e.g. it was to raise money for a worthwhile charity. It wouldn't be as pretty as Liu Zhu though!

Someone mentioned a theatrical tradition of cross-dressing in China, and I know they have it in Japan and other cultures as well, as they did in Shakespearean England, so it'd be interesting to find out why this occurred independently across so many different cultures.
76. 2010-05-12 22:45  
PS: Chad, to see a guy in really outrageous frilly frocks check out the appearance on this satirical news quiz of famous transvestite artist/potter Grayson Perry.



BBC article here:

There's also a serious interview with him here:

Comment edited on 2010-05-12 22:59:08
Comment #77 was deleted by its author on 2010-05-12 22:46
78. 2010-05-12 23:37  
So you're really kind of making my point, Steve, with all the examples of hetero cross-dressing. This isn't some defiant stand taken against bigotry and oppression of gays -- which was kind of the tone of many of the comments.

Ah well -- no harm in agreeing to disagree. I still don't find this to be a big act of "taking a stand" or applause-worthy heroics. It's always fun to root for the underdog and nice to see anyone standing up for themselves in the face of adversity and I think that's why people latch onto this. To me, it's not a gay issue at all. I could certainly be wrong. Just seems like a bit of a fame-grab to me. :)
79. 2010-05-13 01:47  
@78, I don't agree that I'm making your point, Chad; assuming the performer is genuinely a cross dresser, he/she is standing up for who they are as a cross-dresser just by being themself in public. Just like Grayson Perry says at the beginning of the show I posted, "They told me to just be myself".

As I understand it, most cross-dressers may be hetero, but the prejudice they face is like homophobia, based on certain rigid and limiting ideas of what a man should be and how he should behave because of his gender. Maybe it actually is homophobia, but the victim happens not to be gay.

On your last point, obviously the performer does want to be famous, that's the whole point of going on a TV talent show, but I don't think it invalidates the other points.

But I'll agree with you that it's ok to disagree! ;)
80. 2010-05-13 02:15  
the judge actually cannot believe that liu zhu is a guy...in that respect, she was already complimenting him. we really cannot blame her for her disbelief. liu was more female than any of them 2 judges combined...and more beautiful at that. it was a contest for boys - so she was expecting a boy to show up not a boy who looked and sounded better than most girls in china. she should have been more polite and acted more composed...instead of continuously interrupting and interrogating him. she thought he was making fun of them...if she just looked closer she can see a very prominent adam's apple which is not quite possible for a dainty little female to have.
81. 2010-05-13 13:04  
without that bitch, she will not be the lead story here. this is a joke!
82. 2010-05-13 15:52  
Civility -- a breath of clean, fresh air! It ought to be fashionable.

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I think the dialog (dialogue) between chadm252 and steveuk reached new intellectual heights on Fridae.

It's totally stimulating and I agree with both equally.

If a female wore a man's bikini speedo during a Miss Universe swimsuit competition, she would probably get some extra attention even without a wardrobe malfunction. And yes, somebody should do just that!
Comment edited on 2010-05-13 16:08:34
83. 2010-05-13 19:14  
@82 Praise from a fundie troll...no...NO! where did I go wrong! Jammyboi will get on his high horse again and attempt to make cutting remarks...:(
84. 2010-05-13 21:40  
The contestant Liu Zhu was indeed amazingly calm and composed despite the provocations.

I am playing devil's advocate, don't shoot me. Now, some reality shows may intentionally get or hire a colourful character or two as contestants to court publicity. I wouldn't be too surprised if Liu Zhu was planted in the show to jazz up ratings. The show producer must be a happy man now.
85. 2010-05-13 22:31  
#83-LOL... you definitely reach a new low to start picking fights at random. Guess you can't keep an old queen like you down; way down-no ID required here.

Ok, kindly politely get the fcuk outta my way before my high horse trample your 2nd hand tiara. While you're at it, try putting on your Sunday's best dress too. You'd sound more convincing bitching that way. Zzz.
Comment edited on 2010-05-13 23:15:30
86. 2010-05-13 23:28  
@85 - LOL, is that your best shot? You've reached dizzying heights of mediocrity, zzzzzz.
Comment #87 was deleted by its author on 2010-05-13 23:30
88. 2010-05-14 09:06  
Civility on Fridae makes the shortest Palestine-Israel cease-fire seem like an eternity.

The cyberspace grenades (admittedly quite funny at times and tossed a few myself) and libelous comments seem to have gotten repetitive and boring as have the general "root[ings] for the underdog" (language borrowed from chadm252) so I'm taking a break for now.

Thanks for the emotions my thoughts have elicited but not the incivility.

There is a certain perfection in every person. It is that undeniable perfection in each and everyone that I completely admire.
89. 2010-05-14 15:36  
stupid old hag judge.
as much as im "country-ist" i sarpport this liu zhu dude.he's pro enough to not break down with such oppression.but he did let it get in the way of his singing cos when the good blue strip judge asked him to sing again from the chorus he went off mood n was kinda jerky,but pulled it back near the ending tho was interrupted by that biatch again.
and the other guy "wei niang" either i think he's trying to make a mockery out of liu zhu or he's jus some fake disgusting biatch.hope he make it to the top few tho i think he's singing need some improvement on top of his great composing mind....

'nuff said.
90. 2010-05-14 18:59  
#86...sad case.

Aw...little bo peep, did you break up with your sleazy bf again or did your parents try their feeblest attempt again to kick you outta of their house for not flushing your mouth after every toilet use as told.

Tsk tsk, your profile says u r still staying at your parents' place in your old age???!!! - Amazing-what a Leech & Loser! Must be really hard for them- to constantly try & sweep trashy leechy children like you out.

I can see and understand now how your menopause rage takes out on bitching here at random. Like so many members here who find you obnoxious and offensively irritating, you seriously need to get whatever help that your social security allows, after setting aside some money for masturbation toys of course. Get well soon ok and remember NOT to put unwashed toys in your mouth-you just may climax this time. ;)

Ommm...count to 3 before you rant again ok? You do know how to C(o)UNT dun'cha? LOL.
Yes, yes, I know my comments gets you started but seriously, you need to buy your own batteries sometime soon. Stop that leeching again. Shame on you at your age...LOL...:D.....zzzzzz
91. 2010-05-14 19:24  
@90, LOL wolverine, no I don't live with my parents or anyone else's, you must have the wrong reading glasses on. What's wrong, you don't like having the mirror held upto the way you act after your snide comments about polite folk (which kicked this off)? Fact is you object to people having a seriousish discussion of issues raised without slagging eachother off. And hey, you're the one who pointed out the fictional one-dimensional trolls on this site...LOL zzzzzzzzzz. See, anyone can write like you it takes no effort at all.
92. 2010-05-14 20:56  
#91-Ah, we see DENIAL & LYING are also your ugly beauty secrets.

You tried to engage me irrelevantly in one recent topic posting to my non response, then picked a fight with me for no reason and now you pretend to act prudish and victimized. Pathetic. Regular readers here know I only rag offensive losers and hypocrites so please don't create stories about polite folks, nice try. You are truly beyond delusional.

It's clear from your initiating flame-baiting, you KNOW you are a rhetoric old troll on so many levels. So many here have already told you off for your uninvited holier than thou patronizing fart and yet you persist. You persist with your rants because that's the only thing keeping your pace maker working. And I NEVER/WILL NOT reserve any respect nor manners for your likes.

And yes, skeletons of parents in the closet do count as living with them too. My my, you leeched them to the bones.? What a Loser!

PPS: Get help, STOP being a pest. Go buy some cheaper batteries for your pacemaker loser and slow down, shouldn't cost more than a middle finger bone! Check your closet for loose change.
Wasted enough time already. So, carry on bitchin', the crowd's ain't listening ! Zzzzz
93. 2010-05-14 20:57  
Don't try this at home...

Don't dream it, be it.
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Drinks Social
Smokes No
Drugs No
Safe sex Always
How out are you? Totally
Occupation Arts / Media
Personality Flirty, Funny, Intellectual, Loving, Romantic, Serious
Living With parents - - Yikes-I see fake people! LOL
Comment edited on 2010-05-14 21:03:10
94. 2010-05-17 11:57  

This young girl Liu Zhu handled the situation with great maturity and clarity of thinking.

To quote from the Buddha:

"Even if I am wrong, why should you get so irritated? That is not your business. If I am wrong I will go to hell; you will not go with me. If I am wrong I will suffer for it, not you.”

"You wanted to abuse me; you abused me. Feel fulfilled. You have done your work perfectly well. But, as far as I am concerned, I don’t take your insults. Unless I take them, they are meaningless.


"When somebody insults you or talks negatively about you, before you can react to that, you have to become a receiver and accept what they say.

"But if you don’t accept, if you simply remain detached, if you keep your distance, If you remain cool… What can they do?

"What you have in your power or will is REACTION. Nothing else is under your control. Your success or failure or happiness is a sum total of the REACTIONS you give to a particular situation.

"Somebody can throw a burning torch into the river. It will remain alight till it reaches the river. The moment it falls into the river – all fire is gone. The river cools it down.

Comment edited on 2010-05-17 12:15:02
95. 2011-02-06 06:32  
What struck and impressed me was the maturity and poise of Liu Zhu when confronted with such crude insolence. She handled this very well, and I am very proud of her, being part of our glbt community...you go girl!!!! ;)

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