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2 Jun 2010

Missionaries of Hate

The influence of US evangelical Christians on Uganda's anti-gay bill has been well-documented by the media, but this 40-minute film by Mariana van Zeller is the first to examine the growing influence of American religious groups that has led to a movement to make homosexuality a crime punishable by death.

Four and a half months pregnant, Mariana van Zeller, a Peabody Award-winning Portuguese journalist and correspondent for the Vanguard documentary series on Current TV travelled to Uganda to investigate whether the growing influence of American religious groups has led to a movement to further criminalise homosexuality. Under the proposed bill, gay sex acts will be punishable by life imprisonment or death, and anyone who doesn't report a known homosexual within 24 hours will be subject to imprisonment.

Missionaries of Hate explores the impact American Evangelicals have had on the movement, and features exclusive video of American Evangelical Lou Engle's visit to Uganda on May 2 to support the major backers of the proposed legislation. Mariana van Zeller also interviews "kill the gays" bill author MP David Bahati, Pastor Martin Ssempa, one of the most famous religious leaders in Uganda and an anti-gay crusader, whose preaching methods include showing gay pornography in church. She also talks to Ugandan citizens (both gay and straight) about their feelings on homosexuality, the new proposed law, and the effect it will have on their lives.

On May 8, The New York Times quoted a senior government official as saying that that a special committee organised by the president of Uganda has recommended that the harsh anti-homosexuality bill that has drawn the ire of Western governments be withdrawn from Parliament. Boxturtlebulletin reported on May 24 that US evangelical Scott Lively is continuing the push for for the anti-gay bill to be passed with slight modifications.



"We Do Not Want This Sickness. Eat Da Poo Poo."
Pastor Martin Ssempa says as he demonstrates fisting and rimming, 
and shows graphic images of gay sex on a computer
to a roomful of journalists and religious leaders:





Director Mariana van Zeller reflects:


Interview with American Evangelical crusader Scott Lively:


Interview with "kill the gays" bill author MP David Bahati:

Reader's Comments

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3. 2010-06-02 23:01  
Just to be clear, most evangelicals American or otherwise would find these fews counter to their own beliefs. Even the conservative ones. These people are simply kooks.
4. 2010-06-02 23:01  
Based on the last video with Bahati, he is essentially saying that being gay itself is already beyond any hope of living a normal life, even if a gay person chooses a life of celibacy because as he said, having a gay person around without reporting him to the police is allowing him/her to do evil and influence others. So killing another fellow human being on that justification is in line with God's teachings ??? How and when did they get it so wrong and without remorse? Africa is indeed a land of darkness and Bahati has the gall to proclaim to lead the world. Notice how he keeps deluding that God wants this and that for Uganda. It's all about self serving power play. Corrupted as usual. Unbelievable. X-tians are EVIL.

Seems these blind hateful Africans are still slaves to their evangelical colonial masters once again and this time, no savior is in sight. Uganda needs to be brought to its knees with all foreign aid and tourism cut off.

With abject poverty all around, all this brand of x-tianity only focus on is again homosexuality. Seems being gay is more deadly than all human sins combined. I hope the bill will be stopped to protect all innocents from a tragic consequence.
Comment edited on 2010-06-02 23:46:20
5. 2010-06-02 23:02  
Why dont he do something useful for the country, instead for turning the country into a hatred towards a minority group. Ironic enough, now days the more modern societies are now starting to learn how to accept gays, but they are walking backwards! ::laugh::
Comment edited on 2010-06-02 23:35:02
6. 2010-06-02 23:08  
Religion is the one the most bizarre things created by man. It is used to play and power over those who are under its spell.
Here you can see once again religion used to belittle and destroy the lives of those it finds not fitting.
I find this true of all religions. Although some are worse than others. But none are more horrid than the Christian religion in this poor country. Rather than help, it decides to attack those who God says he loves. It has the backing of some of the dumbest people in the world. American Christians!

It has been this way since we started worshiping trees. Now we worship invisible people who are as real as the Easter Bunny.

Yet these crazed religious people believe in their hearts, (or at least want us to believe) that they are doing it to follow the dictates of their God. Who comes across as a very sick, jealous, paranoid, and vengeful God. Who loves you, but is too insecure to just leave it there. If you do not follow the rules that he, or she, or it set up you should be destroyed.
You need to worship he, she or it or you must be scored and sent to Hell. What the hell is wrong wrong with this whole picture?
What is happening now is just as sick and stupid as what was happening in the dark ages, when we followed to the letter the dictates of the same crazy stupid ideology.

Religion often attracts stupidity, clueless thought, and those who are attracted to cults. I hope that we someday soon see how amazingly stupid this is and understand the foolishness and futility of religion.

Man and religion are incompatible. Man created religion, he can destroy this monster as well. It will not happen in my lifetime, but I do believe in time man will get smart enough to see this for what it truly is.
Comment edited on 2010-06-02 23:25:57
7. 2010-06-02 23:36  
Typical .. Stalin 90 years ago taught religion is a opium for masses ! Nothing has changed over the century .. And stupid westeners are still sending money and aid to such a countries like Uganda ! I grew up in the country where being gay even today is classified as a second category citizen even though on the surface looks pretty and rosie (country is a member of EU) .. you cant change mentality of the people and in this case church is only putting petrol into the fire !
To the gays in Uganda, no matter how much you love your homeland get out and you will be much happier .. talking from my own experience !
8. 2010-06-02 23:51  
First of all I want to thank Fridae reporters for sharing news worthy of our attention. This is one of many reason I joined this site.

I used to belong to an extremist religion that believed my homosexuality was a "curable disease". It's unbelievable how humans can still have such medieval thoughts in this modern age! These people who claim to be Christian are a disgrace to true Christianity.

I attended a vigil for Uganda last year and I was deeply moved by the horrific stories stories that were shared by our gay-Ugandan friends. I am absolutely appalled by the injustice that is taking place in that country now. I am doing my part to create awareness in my community.
9. 2010-06-02 23:52  
I found in fact all are hypocrite, and like to make themselves moron. I don't think they really believe god, and I wonder it death.

Every time a god believer sick, I wonder they go pray to god or go see doctor. When a medicine cure them, they rather thank d doctor but said god cure help them, but if they die, then they said go back to lord's home. Gosh, y dont they just go back to lord's home rather than wondering on Earth and create mess.

I suppose go back origin phrase "thy god is a zealous god" - no others can exist only mine.

And the relationship of shepherd n sheep. Sheep are just too dumb to ask question, dumb sheep will just being exploited by shepherd, to a slaughter house or whatever.

Anyone got answer, y the last pope being one of the god-fearing leader got Parkinson's disease. God wanted to test his faith till end of his life?
Comment edited on 2010-06-02 23:55:34
10. 2010-06-02 23:57  
Actually, Marx said that religion is the opiate of the people. But ah, these fellows who live undeserving and twisted lives! Their only skill lies in manipulating unsuspecting folk.
11. 2010-06-03 00:46  
in this country,one third of money comes from overseas donors.they earn less than 50USD a month on avg.these ppl can help their own so called 'brothers and sisters' get out of poverty but NO! they decide to teach them how the gays have sex and how THAT is going to break up their families.seriously...get your priorities right.they might be 'religious' but THEY HAVE NO HEART.these ppl wouldnt mind their fellow ppl go hungry and poor.So i am not surprised they want to hang the minorities.
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14. 2010-06-03 01:21  
leave the minorities alone!
15. 2010-06-03 02:30  
people invented God to get unlimited legislation to punish others who they dont like.

God gives the powerless all the power they need to do wrong.

- people who want to do good dont need any God
16. 2010-06-03 02:44  
Maximillian...Once again you are very very wrong.

Many many many Americans share these "kooky" views - but very few of them are "brave" or foolhardy enough to publically EXPRESS them.

If you believe that the right wing American (and otherwise) evangelicals do not envy the impuntiy their African brethern seem to have...you are living in a very deluded world.

If only they could...they would!

The only difference between these "kooks" in Africa and the "kooks" in right wing America is that the former are open about their homophobia. And it COULD be argued that the hidden homophobia of America is fare more dangerous.
17. 2010-06-03 03:30  
They'd be jailed if they tried speaking like that in Ireland.

We're hardly the world's 'best' country for gay men and women, but it's not an issue here at all, any more, and there's anti-hate speech legislation here for stuff like this. It's crazy what, well, crazy people in other countries say about gay people.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off to polish my horns, boil and eat some children, push old people in front of a bus, and buy a Lottery ticket...
18. 2010-06-03 04:20  
"What kind of father would take his own daughter's rights away?
And what kind of father might hate his own daughter if she were gay?
I can only imagine what the first lady has to say
You've come a long way from whiskey and cocaine

How do you sleep while the rest of us cry?
How do you dream when a mother has no chance to say goodbye?
How do you walk with your head held high?
Can you even look me in the eye?"

- Dear Mr. President, P!ink
19. 2010-06-03 04:43  
dear mr. dynhoyw.
First of all I am agnostic. And I never go to church. Ever. I find organized religion personally a complete waste of time. I do however know many Christians simply because, well.. that's where I live. That said, many if not most believe in non violence of any kind. Catholics, Methodists, Unitarian, Baptists, They are opposed to the death penalty, abortion... really death of any kind. You suggest that if one is conservative, one harbors the same belief as those in this article. Isn't that faulty logic? Im about as liberal as one can get, I fight conservatives on many issues. And I fight them about being narrow-minded and not making sweeping generalizations about people. I shouldn't, though I do at times, and neither should you. Most Christians are not kooks like these awful people. But every religious group or politcal faction will have its share of nut-bags. Left and right.
All the best to you. BTW. Im originally from Wales so a big hello to you too.
20. 2010-06-03 04:48  
This is fucking infuriating. I wouldn't feel guilty turning racist against this bunch of fucktards. Gay sex isn't rectum licking, fisting, nor coprophagia.

"Eat da poo poo"? Seriously? Get an education. I'm gon' think twice the next time I donate to Uganda or Africa in general. Clearly, people over there aren't receiving proper education, & obviously - brainwashed.

21. 2010-06-03 05:30  
awesome comment Lokies :D
22. 2010-06-03 06:18  
Adam Is HOT
23. 2010-06-03 06:31  
i'm not blaming religion or religious people. but without the 'american evangelical' label, all this would be is some rich white guy going to some country with black guys and telling them it is ok to kill their brothers, friends and neighbours because what they do in their bedrooms upset him. it doesn't sell.
24. 2010-06-03 07:07  
i also want to show how straight men fisted vaginas with their feet...some tried using their heads too...not dickheads but their HEADs! i have also seen how straight men love being shit upon by women...yes eat your own poo poo, its call FETISH you moron...
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27. 2010-06-03 10:59  
Mr recluse 82.

"What kind of father would take his own daughter's rights away?
And what kind of father might hate his own daughter if she were gay?"

The kind of father that surrounds you every day of your life, the kind of father who adheres to feudalistic standards for raising his children, the kind of father who sacrifices his right to bring up his own children to the demands of a psychotic religion

The kind of father who is so repressed by the hate, fear and guilt that religions of all persuasions use to demoralise and manipulate their followers

That's the sort of father

28. 2010-06-03 11:07  
And Christ! He's got all those pictures IN his computer! Probably for years! What are the odds?!
29. 2010-06-03 11:23  
Religion leaders should not use Religion to create havoc and chaos. They should work toward the direction of creating a harmony. Else they are no different from an evil cult.
30. 2010-06-03 12:13  
Killing another fellow human being should be a universal natural gag reflex, let alone killing innocent ones just for being who they are. So there is already a deep fundamental flaw in the African culture and mentality to not know better. If some new religion were to tell you that it's ok to rape and kill your female kin just cos they argue with you and you agree, the defect is already inherent in the subconscious ego of the person accepting this illogic. He's simply finding the most remote justification to manifest his desires for violence. Given the heavy animistic tradition and belief systems of most Africans, "sacrifice" for the sake of the greater good is not uncommon. Similarly, look at honour killings practiced by another culture, it also has roots to a dysfunctional "religion".

The American evangelical, Scott Lively, hesitated in the second last interview video when asked if he supported the death bill. He then coyly smiled and recanted his thoughts to enthusiastically comparing choosing the lesser of 2 evils in challenging situations. Essentially , if he had his way, he would support the death bill. The main difference in Uganda and the US is the system. One is supposedly steeped in feudalistic traditions and the other, a supposedly progressive modern 1st world nation with checks and balances when it comes down to publicly known life and death issues.

Religion is almost always about power and control. Fear mongering shores up the numbers. It happens in elections, it happens in religion, it happens when the perpetrators need to rally a base for misdeeds fast!
31. 2010-06-03 12:19  
I can only hope that the bill would never be passed and international pressures paralyze such evil movements indefinitely, or our gay brethren would almost certainly face a certain death. However, it's very difficult to teach a stupid backward government and its fanatical people refusing to change. It's akin to rope dragging a pride of lions away from a kill without caging them to save the prey. They would pounce on the kill again once the restraint is released. This is a dark day for Africa and possibly the new holocaust for our GLBT brethren in Africa if this evil is not effectively stopped.

See the audacity of them in the videos proclaiming that Obama, Oprah and all the Hollywood stars would bow before their god and that they are chosen by god to shake the world out of sin. Amazing how insanity can be mass marketed in Africa and in the hands of corrupted, power hungry and evil man of the cloth, regardless of their color.
32. 2010-06-03 14:35  
It's interesting that throughout the series of videos the Evangelicals continued to mention the "Gay Agenda" and that they were fighting to stop the "recruitment" of young people into homosexuality from ruining their country (America included according to Scott Lively). However, nowhere in the video series did any of them offer even the slightest real example of this so-called agenda....did I miss something???

This is really an example of true prejudice- Contempt and hatred prior to any investigation....my spirit weeps....
33. 2010-06-03 16:36  
32 southie161 - maybe it's projection, as recruitment of the young and elimination of the traditional African family in favour of the modern western model seems to be precisely what they are up to themselves. Maybe evangelists see everything as a matter of recruitment.
34. 2010-06-03 17:59  
My comments yesterday were before I actually watched the documentary. I just finished watching it .. thats exactly how the holocaust started in Germany in 1933. If Hitler had a propaganda minister like Martin Ssempa germans would not know till now they have lost the war ....
The only way to stop this nonsense is to withdraw any foreign aid uncluding United Nations to this country, World Vision should not get involved in any sponsorships in Uganda, after all .. 1/3 of the country's money come from foreign aid. Hit them where it hurts the most ... entire nation will start singing to the different tune then.
35. 2010-06-03 18:42  
they have nothing better else to do in their pathetic life...
36. 2010-06-03 21:09  
obviously these group of people watch too match gay porn lol.
they should be watching straight porn to see if theres a difference.
absolute moron!
37. 2010-06-03 22:06  
Remember those who protest the loudest are the ones who feel more threatened. If you have Gay tendencies you will do your best to attack them! I have seen it time and time again in politics, religion, and in general life itself.

Often the person who complains the loudest, "IS" what he complains about!
38. 2010-06-03 23:50  
The bible says a man should not lay beside a man as that of a women, but the bible didn't say to "kill" if it is.

Some evil does come in the name of God to claim on good for a greater evil to come.

For all have sins, so do not judge and as your ways are not His, neither are your thoughts His, let Him do as is in His time.
39. 2010-06-04 00:22  
38 stainless - I think you're wrong, the Bible does say they shall be put to death, along with loads of other people, like adulterers, witches and all sorts ("thou shalt not suffer a witch to live"); the problem is people in Africa are being taught to take the bible literally word for word, whereas most Christians do not, it's just too bloodthirsty and contradictory.
40. 2010-06-04 00:36  
God is evil, I spit in his eye

Religion is organised evil

The bible is a book of unmitigated horrors

And if Maximilian thinks most evangelical christians do not take the bible word for word..then he doesnt know any. By the way, Catholics, Methodists, Unitarian, Baptists et al are NOT "evangelical", so your comparison does not apply. However, the only difference is those groups let people die naturally before their freaking god sends them to an unending lake of fire (for fucking an ass? Fuck an ass, endless torture? Nice guy huh?), while evangelicals would like to kill them and send them to hell sooner. Thats the only difference.
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42. 2010-06-04 01:00  
It's obvious that edsmale has never read the Bible.
43. 2010-06-04 02:31  
These evangelical crazies are a real global nuisance.....................................................
44. 2010-06-04 02:32  
With regards to the Bible, I believed that what it could preach is really dependent on the readers themselves. Else, there's would never be Christian/Catholic dominations which couldn't agree with each other, even though it's the one same book.

That African Pastor really painted a gross picture of homosexuals. I highly doubt the majority of homosexuals eat faeces, loves fisting, or enjoys sex with the underage. Just google online and I'm sure it's not that hard to find porn of heterosexuals doing that. For that matter, I think the heterosexuals started the concept of bestiary sex.

It would be unreasonable to blame the average africans though. Given that they are simple people who live in an environment surrounded by such hatred especially when further reinforced by faith/religion, it's not hard to believe in it wholeheartedly.

Humans by nature take comfort in believing and acting with the majority, without doing enough research 1st on what others told them.
45. 2010-06-04 03:25  
This documentary is gripping. "Pink Swastika" is gripping. Propagandists are real professionals: was there ever such a thing as pink triangles? But cutting aid is not the answer. First, it will hit the wrong target (even if I am against foreign aid, as a general matter of principle). Second, as shown in the documentary, this is already used for propaganda purposes. They know how to manipulate colonial resentment and national pride to their advantage. Third, money will continue to flow to the evangelists. If there is a way to dry it, this would be something.

Another thing is that most rabid homophobes are in fact closet gays. We see this all the time these days. So, out Scott Lively and Pastor Martin Ssempa. After all, showing this fisting and "poo poo" porn on and on is a bit suspicious.

But they are strong, and people in Uganda will probably not believe it (assuming these pastors are really closet gays). And, as the documentary says, the level of hate is already so high that I fear it is too late to avoid the worst. Remember that Uganda is the country of Idi Amin Dada, and has a history of violence.

If we have religious or spiritual beliefs, we can pray or make wishes for the protection of our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters in Uganda, and other countries of Africa.
46. 2010-06-04 06:29  
Its obvious recluse82 ignores whats written in the bible. Moses and his "chosen people" murdered everyone they came upon, except a hooker. And this is who the bible upholds as a paragon of morals? The bible has more horrors in it then Stephen King could write in a life time....but Kings novels are fictional, while the bibles plethora of murders, stonings, infanticide, genocide, slavery, torture is supposed to be axcepted as literally historic truth, and gods own words? So if you recluse82 want to latch on to some verse that says jeasus loves you while convieniently ignoring the death and pestilence that god and gods servants did, then good for you...but dont go around telling people its not in the bible.
47. 2010-06-04 08:41  
From numbers 31:
17Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who hath known a man by lying with him.
18But all the women children, who have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

So, even though Moses has 10 comandments, one of which says shall not kill, he kills left and right. And what exactly do you think was done with these remaining virgins? Perhaps a little orgy hmmm?

Examples of the death penalty. The Bible prescribes the death penalty for the following activities, among others:Sex crimes, including adultery, male homosexual sex, bestiality (Leviticus 20) and rape (Deuteronomy 22) GUESS WHAT YOU BIBLE LOVING HOMO'S: THAT US! DELIGHTFULL, YOU READ AND BELIEVE A TEXT THAT COMMANDS DEATH TO YOURSELF
A betrothed woman who does not cry out while being raped (Deuteronomy 22:23-4) SO WHAT GOD MEANS TO SAY, IF IF THE RAPIST IS HOLDING A KNIFE TO HER THROAT AND SAYING "KEEP QUITE" THATS DEATH TO THE WOMAN? VERY NICE
A woman who is found not to have been a virgin on the night of her wedding (Deuteronomy 22:13-22) YUP, BUT THOSE VIRGINS MOSES SAVED SURE WERE SOME SWEET TAIL
Worshiping other gods (Deuteronomy 13:6-13:10, Exodus 22:20) BECAUSE OF COURSE ONLY CHRISTIAN GOD EXISTS. ANYONE ELSE, OFF WITH THEIR HEAD.
Witchcraft (Exodus 22:18) WITCHES. BAD BAD WITCHES!
Taking God's name in vain or cursing God's name (Leviticus 24:16) UP YOURS GOD, IS THAT VAIN ENOUGH?
Cursing a parent (Exodus 21:15, 21:17, Leviticus 20:9, and in the New Testament Mark 7:10) WOW 4 PLACES! DONT GET ANGRY WITH MOMMA!

Do I know the bible yet recluse82? Jeasus loves you...so long as your dead.

stainless: is that clear enough in Leviticus 20 that male homosexuality is capital offence? But do notice, lesbians are safe. God likes that girl on girl stuff.

Organized monotheistic religions do NOTHING except spread fear, hate, and keep people enslaved to the corrupt church leadership.
48. 2010-06-04 09:06  
He should just preach about the GOOD of Christianity instead of instilling hate towards homosexuals. Eat Da Poo Poo act is more commonly found among straights. Straight SCAT porn is everywhere and he wants to push the blame to minorities like us ? What a lame-brained asswipe
49. 2010-06-04 11:17  
I have be saying for years that these christian do-gooders should be banned from going to other countries and trying to push their beliefs and instigating a division between people that need help and a better life; not attacks on their beliefs or lifestyle under the guise of helping feed the people. But these "do-gooders" take advantage of poor people in poverty stricken countries to promote their devious beliefs and micro manage controlling the populace. Remember for food you will do almost anything to stay alive.
I am an American and I am ashamed that these isolated fractions of people/churches are even allowed out of the USA to spread this horrific misinformation and destruction.
Christianity is suppose to be a healthy/positive support system for humans to live their life to the fullest, but it has, unfortunately, been distorted/ twisted, money grabbing, and become a controlling cult force in certain groups hands. And don't even get me started on their brainwashing techniques that are despicable and beyond belief.
I just hope that some wiser/cooler heads prevail and stop this nonsense and get rid of these "alien invaders" once and for all.

That is my vent. Grrrrrrr
50. 2010-06-04 14:35  
Gay is evil? Talk about death punishment and taking other life, so that's humanity huh?

Religious are meant to be guidance in life, not on controlling the people...
51. 2010-06-04 14:36  
Man wrote the Bible, not God. Man created Religion, not God.
Man misuse the Bible for their own beliefs. Man is evil.
52. 2010-06-04 17:45  
Ironical isnt it... One homophobic god-fearing man can generate more hate than all the gay men since Adam was a boy could ever produce
53. 2010-06-04 17:48  
Fridae, thank you for the commentary.

It is so unjust. Gay prides parade for acceptance are prosecuted in many countries. Whereas spreading of hates and violence in name of god is allowed to prevail nationally, also in many countries. Yet they are called 'loving' people. Such misleading accusations and claim practices in the commentary on gays really make me sick.

Uganda accept foreign aids but turn around to accuse them of gay idealism reminds me of my country. My country welcome foreign talent including gays. You can even declare gay but our government still repent 377a. Which means talent is welcome but act of gay can be prosecuted. Im dismay to read here at time that some believe its alright as long as authority does not deploy the ruling. Not forgoting there are also many anti-gay around us including those like pastor Martin with poison tongue ever ready for condemnation. Should one day anti-homo prevail in my country like Uganda, there is no time wasted appealing an anti-gay law which is existing.
54. 2010-06-04 18:02  
This man's mouth is full of poo poo. He should get the facts right. Let's look at the statistics:
1) LGBT Rights by Country http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_territory
2) Quality of Life Ranking by The Economist http://www.economist.com/media/pdf/QUALITY_OF_LIFE.pdf

When we look at the Top 30 and the Bottom 30 on the QOL Rank, we can quickly notice that almost all of the Top 30 do not have anti-sodomy laws and some even have laws to protect against gay discrimination. On the other hand, almost all in the Bottom 30 (where Uganda is found) have poor gay rights records and many have anti-gay laws.

If this man whose mouth is full of poo poo is suggesting that countries that do not have anti-gay laws would suffer retribution, where's the empirical evidence? If there's any connection at all, then it's more convincing to suggest, with the above data sets, that countries that remove anti-gay laws enjoy better QOL.

55. 2010-06-04 18:20  
sunthenmoon@54, good point.

That's why they circumvent this embarrassment by aligning with "one" of the "top" 30 countries like Singapore (highly debatable), for display and even electing a Singaporean as their global Anglican Church Head. The recent mass congregation of African nations in Singapore for their global meet was sufficient to convince these tribal fanatics that Singapore is an inspiration-straight to their poo poo "Hell-ven". And "Ambala !" is what they will leave home with for such misguided stupidity!
56. 2010-06-04 19:51  
I really do not know why people believe that religion. Maybe someone say the problem is not religion but I believe that we can live without religion. I have 100% none religion and nothing wrong with me.

Open your mind.

57. 2010-06-04 20:03  
@55 - it was also interesting to notice that the most hugely successful foreign evangelist in Africa (see him on youtube preaching in Malawi), Reinhard Bonnke, was billed as a guest speaker along with others, at the recent massive 5 day City Harvest conference in Singapore. This is a man of whom claims have been made that he raised a pastor from the dead in Nigeria.

That so many educated people in Singapore seem to fall for stuff like this is worrying, especially, as someone mentioned, with 377a still in place. The hatred of gays generated in Singapore by some of these people among some of their "believers" is almost as bad as in Africa.

According to Internet reports, what turned into the virulent internet and letter writing campaign against gays in Singapore was kicked off about 7 years ago by a meeting called by a certain pastor with 20 people from other churches. I'm not suggesting they wanted to kill gays, but I'm sure some of the young people that they influenced wouldn't have minded from the vitriol they posted. Some of them are still trolling this site.
Comment edited on 2010-06-04 20:16:56
58. 2010-06-04 21:39  
Someday soon enough, poo poo pasta Martin Ssempa, will fall wayside from his "discovered" sins and he will need to draw inspirations from such past hypocritical "greats" as model evangelicals, Ted Haggard and Larry Craig. Go on Ssempa, you know you want it, go on. Have fun with it. Play with it. Eat it. Don't poo poo your chance to be famous too. :P

Ted Haggard:

Larry Craig:
59. 2010-06-04 22:11  
To Edsmale: Any text taken out of context is a con. You could preach Jihad from the Quaran by the same measure, and this one-sided preaching is no better than the lies being spilled in the documentary.

I never said what happened in the Old Testament did not happen. Any hate preacher can preach death and warth of God from it. But by that measure, one cannot pretend Jesus' love did not happen either. That would be akin quoting the first half of a novel and saying the 2nd half where the story concludes does not matter.

"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." - Romans 6:23. So easy to preach the first half, and so easy to ignore the 2nd.

The Old Testament was written in Hebrew and the New Testament in Greek, not English. Again, any linguist will tell you that there will always be flaws when translating between languages, especially since both books were first translated into Latin before English. The original word in Hebrew "Qadesh" appearing in Deuteronomy 23:17 is more accurately translated as "male shrine prostitutes", who might have copulated with women in fertility rites rather than performing homosexual acts.". The Greek word "arsenokoites"which first appears in I Corinthians 6:9 and a further 55 times is NEVER once defined as homosexual acts.

I am not asking edsmale or anyone to believe it. I'm merely asking for an OBJECTIVE, liguistically accountable view of the Bible. There are enough stones being thrown on both sides of the fence out of ignorance, and an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
60. 2010-06-04 22:56  
Recluse, I'm sure your research is correct, but sadly you're unlikely to persuade many in Africa or Singapore. Pastors in both places will just accuse you of distorting the Bible as they prefer to keep and propagate their prejudices on the basis of them being "traditional" (if inaccurate) interpretations. Some of them have called such interpretions "sick"', demonstrating the usual level of understanding they get from their postal theology doctorates from goodness knows where.
61. 2010-06-04 23:15  
ps. "An eye for an eye makes everyone blind" is from Gandhi, not the New Testament, a Hindu influenced by Jainism, a religion that has far more love and compassion evident in it than is evident in the Bible.
62. 2010-06-04 23:53  
either the bible is real actual gods word...or NOT. You really expect anyone to differientiate between "homosexual" and "male shrine prostitute"? I dont give a crap how many times bible says jesus loves you...1 billion "I love you's" is erased by one "you should die"....ask any domestic abuse victem. Oh, the husband will gush love and kindness, right up until he bashes her face in again. This is the bible. I love you..but you should die...along with all the other capital offenses listed....and the slaughter of anyone that pisses you off....and the slaughter of even the faithfull to make a point. If your gay, and your defending the bible, your defending a book and a god that wants you DEAD. You are HYPOCRITE. Yes, so easy to preach 1st half and ignore the second...and ones who preach the second while convieniently ignore the first is nothing more then dumb wife who stays with husband who beats her. Enjoy your beatings!
63. 2010-06-05 00:58  
"if a man lies with a man as he lies with a woman....death". Thats pretty simple and plain, not open to interpretation nor translation errors. Its either gods word...or NOT. If your gay and believe in the bible, you advocate your own death. Pure and simple. This africa mess is just advocating what the bible says. Alllllllll the rest is irrelevant. Totally. The bible, and therefor god, demands gays death. So if you believe in the LIE that is called the bible, and the sadistic being called god, then you should be lining up to be excecuted...its what god wants after all!
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65. 2010-06-05 06:38  
We need to launch a massive cyber campaign to reach out to the literate Ugandans, and especially these fanatics. The reason why Ugandans suffer from poor QOL has nothing to do with not having anti-gay laws. On the contrary, it's because they spend time and effort on the wrong things like prosecuting gays instead of constructive actions:
1) against corruption
2) promoting democracy and human rights
3) developing trade
4) upgrading skills
5) attracting foreign investors
6) training qualified teachers
7) subsidising Research & Development in universities and commercial enterprises.

They should wake up. Virtually all the countries in the Top 30 of the Ranking focus their efforts on the above whereas virtually all those in the Bottom 30 don't, and that's WHY Uganda and the other 29 countries in the Bottom 30 list remain at the bottom. Worse, even their leaders--the members of Parliament-- seem to be seriously misguided. Instead of legislating laws on the above 7 areas, they are campaigning for the Kill the Gays Bill.

Question 1: If killing gays would make their country better, can they substantiate why all (except Singapore which keeps the law but doesn't enforce it proactively) the countries in the Top 30 do not have anti-gay laws?

Question 2: If there's retribution for not having anti-gay laws, why haven't those countries in the Top 30 been hit?
66. 2010-06-05 07:38  
to steveuk: I was aware of the Ghandi reference. Christians are allowed to read other books too and agree with them. Contrary to incorrect stereotypes, not all of us are zombies. And yes I agree that no matter how accurate the translations are not everyone will accept them. Put it this way: a doctor with the highest PhD may still be unable to cure cancer.

to edsmale: "He who has ears to hear, let him hear!" - Matthew 11:15
67. 2010-06-05 09:17  
hear this: the bible say men who lie with men should die. All the rest is fluff
68. 2010-06-05 18:34  
@67, Christianity has evolved in varied ways way beyond what is literally in the Bible, maybe because good people will focus on the compassionate bits whatever religion or philosophy they adhere to. Slavery is supported in both the old and new testament, but the impetus to abolish it in Britain came from 18th century Methodists. Similarly the decriminalisation of homosexuality in England in 1967 had the strong support of the Church there.

What is most disturbing is this (very political) movement emerging from pentecostalism, that in some places has massive rallies that look like 1930s fascism. In some videos you will even see one arm raised, not with the palm upwards to receive the holy spirit, but downwards as in the Nazi salute, though they will be unaware that's what they are doing. People ARE being zombiefied, to borrow Recluse's reference, using tried and tested techniques. One of the most obvious signs of is when they are successfully persuaded to sign over a fixed percentage of their income to very rich churches. Even Africans in poverty are persuaded to part with a month's wages to pay to see an American pastor preach.
Comment edited on 2010-06-05 20:26:54

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