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24 Oct 2008

Exotic

When Shinen Wong was called 'exotic' by a white boy he fell in love with in college, he obsessed for months about being compared to rugs, vases and strip dancers...

Editor's note: Fridae welcomes its newest columnist, Shinen Wong. Malaysia-born and Singapore-bred Wong is currently getting settled in Sydney, Australia after moving from the United States, having attended college in Hanover, New Hampshire, and working in San Francisco for a year after. In this new fortnightly "Been Queer. Done That" column, Wong will explore gender, sexuality, and queer cultures based on personal anecdotes, sweeping generalisations and his incomprehensible libido.

In University, I fell in love with a boy whose name is S. I was 21, and he was 19. I was in my third year of university, just one year short of graduation, whereas he had just matriculated, fresh out of high school, nervous and excited, a gorgeous mess of a character. He was scruffy, lightly bearded on his boyish face, with short sugary-brown hair gently tousled on his head. He was Caucasian, with a lean, tight-framed, slightly lanky body. He stood about half an inch or so taller than I, about 1.27 centimetres in metric, something he and I had joked about once, foreshadowing our insurmountable differences.

I remember seeing him during our first Gay-Straight Alliance meeting that year, and catching glimpse of his adorable features peeking out from behind the girl he was standing behind. He and I never made eye contact that night, he had a nervous timidity that meant he scurried away from the meeting as soon as it was over, and before I had had the chance to introduce myself. I could not stop thinking about him. I had felt my heart race like it had not for so long. I knew that I had to speak to him, the boy with the tuft of scruff under his chin, and the earrings that connoted: maybe he was a bad boy.

Two years later, I was graduating from university, and I had seen my heart endure many blows from my relationship with S. For two years, he and I had gone through a rollercoaster of relational madness. At the beginning of our friendship when I had finally mustered the courage to say hello while he was working for the dining services, we had both overcome our shyness and embarked on a friendship that was so euphoric it felt unreal. It was hard to pinpoint the exact reasons our relationship went awry. Perhaps it was related to our having slept together when the both of us were unready. I became very needy of him; I wanted desperately for him to be my boyfriend. I was so lonely in college, in America. I wanted to show him off, this gorgeous nerd of a boy, I wanted him and I to grow up into men together. I wanted him so that when I got older, I could remember my small New England college experience with that romantic nostalgia that I had prior only ever seen accorded to white, heterosexual American couples on television. I wanted to be Hollywood, Rolling Stones, but instead, my only bristle with Americana from our relationship was in its mimicry of the tragic death of James Dean. Gorgeous and short-lived.

Life, of course, is never cut quite so cleanly into the mould we hope for it to be. Firstly, I was, after all, already a jaded gay man when I first met S, I had already had boyfriends before him, and I was already misshapen. Our first date was less a triumph in its own right, and was more a relief from the excruciating monotony of my own melancholy coming out from previous relationships. Additionally, I was not American, and so whatever relationship I could have imagined pursuing with him was partially marred by the underlying fear that one day, I would have to leave the country. And lastly, I am Asian.

Which of course, need not be a source of upset or insecurity, but I must admit that years of interacting online both with white gay men and other Asians had left me a little unsettled about my racial and sexual identity. I had never before conceived of myself as masculine, as I had usually subjected my smooth body, hairlessness, and my demeanour to a stereotypical reading of East Asian bodies as feminine, de-sexed, or else only available for the scrutiny of white men much older than myself. I was the first man that S had ever been with, and I remember my astonishment when he first said to me that he loved my masculinity. Never did I think a white boy my own age could find me masculine or attractive. I refused to believe it.

And it was this refusal, armoured by my insecurities, that was finally to my own detriment.

One day, S and I were flirting online from our respective dorm rooms, at a time when we were openly into each other again (after a painful period of many ups and many downs). I told him how I loved his face, how my fingers trembled to touch his skin, to press into his lean body, how I loved threading them through his little beard, how I loved counting his infinite eyelashes that opened up like soft, dark drapes to reveal his sky-eyes. And after many cyber-smileys and blushings, after bathing him with compliments so he was soaked in my ardour, I took the opportunity to ask him what he felt attractive about me. He responded that he thought me "exotic and modern."

A few days after, S and I were not speaking again. The pattern of our relationship was always urgent and hesitant at the same time, desperate and distant. He always found himself put off by my easy vulnerability, and I always found myself frustrated by his emotional distance. I was too much of a pushover, and he was always so cold; his words could cut me like glass. However, this time, my frustration turned from weary sadness into sickening anger.

I obsessed for months and months about having been called 'exotic.' I had no idea why this word stung so much, especially as he had meant it as a compliment. In the past, when I was in Singapore, when other Caucasian men had called me exotic-looking, I had always calmly and gladly received it as a compliment, and yet this time, I was torn apart by it. Why?

On a superficial level, exotic does have some 'positive' connotations. Something that is described as exotic must be excitingly different, unusual, strange yet interesting and intriguing. However, conventionally the word is used to describe rugs, vases, plots of land, strip dancers, different species of animal. It was difficult then to receive this word as a compliment was I was caught up in how objectifying it was, and how possibly was, subconsciously, a manifestation of his need to distance me. After all, "exotic" cannot be a permanent quality of any object. In order to enjoy the exotic, we must keep it at a distance. As soon as we possess it, it becomes familiar, and it ceases to be exotic. It becomes part of our framework, and we must find other qualities within it if our love for it can be sustained.

Though Singapore is a country with an ethnic Chinese/Asian majority, the country often advertises itself as an "exotic" island and culture for foreign tourism (America, Australia, and most of Western Europe, I imagine, does not). In and of itself, I have nothing against valuing difference; Indeed, I encourage it, for it is through dialogue and interaction that different cultures mature into our globalising world. However, I am suspicious of the identity we Asians create for ourselves if we identify with our own exoticism. After all, the flip side to the "exotic" is the "normal." When S called me "exotic," he was simultaneously suggesting that he was "normal," that his culture and his body were the blank canvases, the neutral slates against which all other cultures and bodies in America might be compared.

In a way, the term "exotic" when used to describe me in Singapore did not hurt as badly as it did when I was in the USA, because in Singapore, I had no fantasy that I could ever be regarded as normal. My homosexuality was already legally beyond consummation, and since I was racially in the majority, I even considered it flattering that my racial "difference" might be recognised and regarded as sexy.

One of the insidious effects of colonisation for any culture, is in how it suddenly establishes certain images of sexuality and creativity as normative (as standards of normalcy), and in how the colonised peoples internalise these messages and are even willing to identify with our own inferiority or 'otherness,' even in our own countries.

In America, I got caught up in the American dream of the melting pot, where all cultures would come together and melt into beautiful American homogeneity. I became infatuated with being a part of American culture, with inheriting its long histories of racial and sexual revolution. In a way, I was exoticising America! But when S described me as exotic, it was a reminder that I could never fully attain that dream, and in a way, my relationship with S with all its personal tragedy was a part of that dream. I had to resign myself to the reality that, given my being a young, gay, "westernised" Asian man in our current world, I may very well perpetually be regarded as foreign, whether in the country I had grown up in (Singapore), or in the country in which I had hoped to make a home (the USA).

After I graduated from Dartmouth College, New Hampshire, in 2007, I moved to San Francisco. S and I had already got together and broken up many times over, and I was too weary to keep in any significant contact. I was looking forward to establishing myself anew in San Francisco.

In San Francisco, I had a deep sense of its Asian American history. The whole San Francisco Bay Area has a visible and highly established culture of Asian folks who have integrated, assimilated and absorbed themselves into the creation of contemporary American culture, part of the fabric of the American national identity. With San Francisco's also famous history and visibility of gay and lesbian organising, this meant that there was an equally visible and strong presence of gay and lesbian Asians who were politically active participants in and creators of the larger Californian culture. As such, I never once felt exoticised while I was living and working in San Francisco. I felt like I was part of a strong history, and part of the culture. It was as if that awful boundary between my being gay (rejected or fetishised by straight folks) and my Asian racial heritage (rejected or exoticised by larger white/European-dominated gay communities) had finally dissolved into a blissful and integrated experience of my identity. I could be, to put it simply, 'myself.' For the first time, I felt like there was a world that could be my oyster.

Perhaps "exotic" is simply a reflection of a historical moment in which Asian sexuality, even in Asia, is still considered to be something "new" in its openness and in its articulation of a cohesive self-identity. Perhaps "exotic" is that intermediary state between the wholehearted rejection of that which is different and strange, and the final integration and absorption of difference into the mundanity of familiarity.

When it comes to love, of course, where would I want to be on this spectrum of rejection - exoticism - integration? As exciting as it may be for partners to regard each other as exotic, the initial excitement of encountering such difference usually fades into familiarity. Will the familiar be calm, sensual and serene? Or will it be unsettling, unsexy and tedious? Whether any initial exoticism in our relationship is interracial, interethnic, international, intercultural, intergenerational, interreligious, or even inter-gendered (such as in heterosexuality), what are the more permanent qualities on which a source of attraction might be based, so that our relationships might last?

I still think of S sometimes. I miss him like I miss America. The fantasy of the perfect land, the perfect person, the perfect working democracy, the superpower of being in the perfect relationship, but I know now that this is just a fantasy, an exotic dream, that when the lights are switched on and I open my eyes, maybe I can see that reality, with all of its imperfections, is even better.

Reader's Comments

1. 2008-10-24 03:49  
this is such an old tired subject. if anyone obsesses over one word for so long there is obviously something wrong with them. i would take it (and have taken it) as a compliment. people should stop projecting their issues on to others - i've had people call me all sorts of things, but i dont spends years of my life worrying about it
2. 2008-10-24 03:54  

San Francisco, and indeed the Bay Area itself, has a considerably high "Asian" population. But when I was there, even amidst the lively Asian American enclave (and my considerable involvement with the gay Asian & Pacific Islander community), I still felt alien. As if my gay-ness and my asian-ness did not melt successfully in the San Franciscan pot. Perhaps that is because I never thought of myself as "Asian" per se. By that I mean the straightforwardly dumb adjective used when people try to "define" the personhood of someone coming from the continent Asia.

Okay, perhaps dumb is too strong of a word to use. Nonetheless in characterizing the diversity of cultures and cultural groups in the vast continent of Asia into a monolithic culture, and thereby relegating it into the convenient adjective "Asian," one risks playing the shallow linguistic game of associations. The next step is to ask, what is Asian? Oh let me look for adjectives! What about, spicy? Uh, oh exotic! When this linguistic game is set, and when the subject matter of identity is brought into the ball game, it comes as no surprise that the unfortunate association takes place. He is from Asia. He looks Asian/He is Asian. He is exotic.

Doh, there goes my self, buried under piles of attributes. I think, similarly, the word "gay" has also suffered the same misfortune. It is not news that there is such thing as a "gay scene" and a "gay culture" -- think Judy Garland, Madonna, Cher, Julie Andrews, Margaret Cho, Pink (the color), rainbow, Techno, Tights, ripped body, blonde hair, blue eyes! The list goes on, and on and on.

The game of identification, of association will never end. I personally choose to not play the game. Instead of "living as," I prefer to live. Different or similar, exotic or mundane, I am alive and well, thank you very much. Now, where is my sugar daddy? Haven't had potatoes in a while.

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4. 2008-10-24 20:24  
Hmm... calling a Chinese "exotic" in the US (intended as a compliment) shouldn't be any more upsetting than a whitey in Asia being called "lao wai", "ang moh", or "gwei lo" (intended perhaps with respectful deference, but with the obvious implication of being foreign and not quite able ever to fully belong).

Perhaps it's just a case of being more sensitive to these things when we're outside the comfort and familiarity of our home country/culture!
5. 2008-10-24 21:01  
Thanks, Shinen! Very nice article and gave me lots to think about. Was impressed with your ability to articulate your emotional journey. A job well done... :)
6. 2008-10-24 21:25  
YAWN.......yawn ....snore....zzzzzzz
Thanx Shanon Wong.
7. 2008-10-24 21:57  
excellent piece shinen, an "old, tired" story it may be to some, to others, endlessly relevant. hearing you pull these expressions almost straight out of my own head reminds me i'm only one of many asians who feel conflicted about assimilation and growing up in a western country. still struggling to find my feet some days but i'm sure we'll get there.
keep writing man!
8. 2008-10-24 22:42  
Boring get over it, you have problems you project your own insecurities to others, your story was insulting to other Asian guys not everyone is as self indulgent or superficial as you are Jaded.

your last paragraph about wanting a perfect person a perfect land and a perfect everything what a joke, reading this doesnt bring the word EXOTIC to mind more like IDIOTIC.

Get some help with your identity issues you are who you are and expecting perfection will only set you up for failure because your not perfect, you obviously have alot of time on your hands to over-analyze every little thing. Im guessing alot of details were left out why you 2 broke up soo many times, clingy ??? INSECURE??? Immature ??? no wonder the story sounded soo one sided, I bet he was one hell of a nice guy that you F8@cked up with your own insecurities live and let go and grow up.

mediocre and unnecessarily long story filled with jaded perceptions and one sided self indulgent dribble better luck next time or never would be better.



9. 2008-10-24 23:35  
Does Fridae have too much money? Or is there a lack of good writers? This terribly boring and pseudo-philosophical piece of writing is the worst I have EVER read on Fridae. What a shame!
10. 2008-10-24 23:43  
Poor Shinen has taken a bit of a beating with the comments on his article and i understand why.

Sorry, but it is too wordy and convoluted, put the bloody thesaurus down, please!

I have always thought the word exotic simply meant foreign. To a white guy in middle America an Asian guy from another country is of course going to seem exotic. Accept it and move on.

Do you think i let it bother me that i was called 'Farang" every day of my 18 months living and working in Thailand? At first yes, but i got over it, i was a foreigner in their land and i learned my place in their society.

I'm not sure why you have such a contention for colonialism. Aren't the ethnic Chinese colonials to Singapore and to a lesser extent Malaysia and Indonesia?

I am a tall, hairy Caucasian man and i have met and admired many, many, many, many manly, masculine and muscular Asian men and hope to meet many, many (you get the point) more.

I get where you are coming from Shinen, but using rhyme and synonyms to get your point across is a rookie mistake.

There seems to be chip on your shoulder that some other Asian guys seem to share, but i don't believe the majority do. I have received all kinds of comments, good and bad about my Caucasian features from Asian friends and partners, it's all part of being different and embracing it.

Don't let negative feed back get you down, accept it, adapt it or reject it, just keep moving forward and evolve into the man you one day hope to be.
11. 2008-10-24 23:49  
Don't be so mean. Blessed are those of you who never had any insecurities in relationships. Yes, perhaps it was immature the way he handled the relationship, but hey he was 21. I don't believe that there is anyone who never made a mistake in relationships before. So he learned, at least he knew where he made his mistakes, and will be a better person next time.
12. 2008-10-24 23:53  
I think the more interesting aspect of this article is why you had never perceived yourself as masculine. Personally, I think it's more problematic and thus worth more exploration for people in this region of the world, especially in light of a "new" Asian sexuality.

I also enjoyed your exploration in the connotations of "exotic" since I had never really thought of the actual word itself before. I think it'd be most grating if "exotic" becomes the foundation of a relationship. Those foundations, though, take many forms, so I think you just need to figure that out for yourself (I mean, hey, loving movies is a foundation for relationships, too).

But back to "exotic," I think you're closely getting yourself to realizing that these perceptions are very much shaped by the political and economic foundations of society (which the idea of "Asian" is itself testament to). Unfortunately I can't recall anyone who I can quote from, but it seems evident to me anyhow (think World War II as a start).
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14. 2008-10-24 23:59  
When i was 20 i met my first boyfriend, he was 28 at the time, a Taiwanese guy studying for his master degree here in Brisbane. We dated a year, an evenutlly broke up. We moved to different cities and have both come back to Brisbane now. We have kept in contact and now work for the same Investment Bank. We had lunch together the other day and will probably go to the beach together tomorrow. Now i am 28 and he 36, me Caucasian and him Asian. The dream Shinen speaks of can be had anywhere, it is up to the individuals, not society. Society is a vast organism, if you realise your place in it, you can create your own niche, such as 'gay society' exists in the larger society.
15. 2008-10-25 00:21  
There was something I've learnt in the States. Ironically, it's that - the more uncomfortable with your own identity, the more people can feel it. It's that you're not confident in your own skin that really makes people feel uneasy. I think accents and skin color and all - it's peripheral. Exotic can be a compliment or just a descriptive. Of course there are bigots, but I mostly choose to ignore them. They're probably not worth to befriend. So I guess... the author needs to really get out of that mindset before he really finds inner peace.
16. 2008-10-25 00:25  
i agree that the scopophilia can be conducted both ways; we are all complicit in it, in some way.

this is a well-written piece :)
17. 2008-10-25 01:00  
Unlike some people here who dislike this article or prefer to criticize the writing quality, I think the experience described here is NOT unusual for Asian-Americans (or Asians living elsewhere as a minority group). I could relate to this article as an Asian growing up in USA/Canada. It is pretentious of us to dismiss the author's experience as being immature or inane. However, having said that, I do think this narrative is quite tired and repeated ad nauseum in gay Asian community and literature. It has a valuable space in the gay Asian community but I really think we need to move beyond this. This self-loathing, poor-me attitude is quite depressing to read...

My final point is that one can rationalize and debate identity, colonialism, domination, and imperialism so much before it quickly becomes an "intellectual masturbation." Relationships are person to person. At the end of the day, what really matters? Is it your partner as a person regardless of race/culture or the ulterior motives h/she might have in being with you? We all have fetishes -- some are difficult to explain or rationalize. Live and celebrate!
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19. 2008-10-25 01:42  
personal and enriching.
cheers,it do remind me of a relationship i had had with someone for over one year.gorgeous n shortlived.but the short made it memorable.
to people who think that its hard to let go of a relationship which has already lost its magical sparks,think again.letting go means giving one another a chance to move on.thus pleasant memories remain as magical dusts of wonderful nostalgia.not letting go meant more hurt that not to mention lost of magical sparks,even its dusts fail to appear to the most microscopic eyes.
cheers queers , ryan . =)
20. 2008-10-25 01:42  
The Asian male as exotic? Hmmm... I think S. may have been from the Kentucky boondocks or the Louisiana marshes. Growing up in New York, I came to associate "exotic" with the Asian female, not male--Suzie Wong made sure of that. Asian males were more geeks and nerds, and thank God for that cuz everyone knows there is nothing in this world sexier (and in many cases, richer) than an Asian geek!

Reading Shinen's story, I couldn't help thinking the more things change, the more they stay the same. My cousins in New Zealand, junior by fifteen years, went through what I went through here in NY, and I suspect hyphenated Asians all over the world struggle with the same issues of identity. Thanks to Shinen for sharing--you are not alone.
21. 2008-10-25 02:01  
WOW another story about feeling alienated because you want to be white and be perfect how boring, stories where self victimization happens because of your own stupid personal perceptions of who you are, seriously if your trying to promote more of this i want to be white behaviour among the already high number of mis guided asian males then I will have no part in it thank you, Im comfortable in my own skin and who Iam and I don't need to wish or pretend to be someone Im not.

Seriously if you have issues with who you are or who you think you are I suggest you take a long hard look at yourself in the mirror because that's who you are nothing will change that, best to accept it or go crawl under a rock somewhere because your the only one alienating yourself.

Whatever happen to being proud of being Asian, whats soo freaking bad about it I swear it's a shame why soo many Asians hate themselves wanting to be white be proud of who you are.
22. 2008-10-25 02:14  
I remember how surprised I was when I first realised the word "exotic" had negative connotations for asian ears.

Kind of like "oriental" seems to be considered a bad term in America, but not in the UK.

To me, coming from Greece, words like exotic or oriental are no more or less negative than "caucasian" or "greek"

look beyond the words, and keep in mind people of various cultures attach different meanings and colours to the same words :)
23. 2008-10-25 02:35  

Consider the history of attitudes toward interracial relationships in many parts of the world, and also among immigrant communities. There's often an initial, traditional rejection of the idea altogether, which can even persist in people who are actually involved in such a relationship. But you also come across interracial couples who are so in their element together that race seems to have completely dissolved. I find the author's suggestion that exoticism lies somewhere in between these extremes very appealing and potentially transformational... I would say this is a radical point of view for many people, gay and straight, European and American and Asian. The point here isn't to hate a word like 'exotic' (or 'oriental' etc.), but just to look deeply into what it means to us, where we are going with it, and what the implications are for our relationships right now and in the long term.

By the way, I'm not convinced by readers who suggest that the author should have been more stoic (or macho?) about what his race meant to his lover. Why should anyone have to do that? It's inappropriate to compare the very intimate example in this article with racial/ethnic slurs applied casually to strangers. Those are much more easily shrugged off, since they're generalities, and they're strictly superficial on an individual level.

In our personal romances, in this community, and in the fragmenting/reintegrating world at large, healing can only come about if we have compassionate attitudes toward race and sexuality. Let's not be haters.

24. 2008-10-25 03:02  
u are good. ur whole story is on EXOTIC. one word. and u can have a story on it. bet u lead a very interesting life!
25. 2008-10-25 06:30  
i never liked the term "exotic" either and I don't consider it a compliment at all.
26. 2008-10-25 06:42  
I wish someone was into me and gave me any sort of compliment, including exotic!! How sad a mear word could dissolve a relationship, when many of us have nothing at all to dissolve. Including in uber utopia San Francisco!
27. 2008-10-25 06:55  
It's been a long time since I considered anyone in the multicultural west to be exotic. I think history has moved beyond the author's perceptions.
28. 2008-10-25 07:21  
Thanks for sharing your feelings you are a very sensitive guy perhaps more so than the guy you were dating! I hope you feel more at home in Australia. Ive met a few guys from asian background that feel a bit dislocated in a western culture...but they should not take it as something at fault with themselves...even people who have gwrown up in the culture can feel dislocated...relax enjoy take each person as they come and hope others will do the same for you : ) . Mike
29. 2008-10-25 07:21  
Everyone is exotic in some form or another to someone, surely..?

I fear that I would have been more insulted by the use of the word 'modern' as that seems far less a polite observation!
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31. 2008-10-25 08:24  
LOL at #27 Binky! Here's the conversation I envision:

"Hi Binky, you're so... 'modern'."
"Er... modern in a... Cubist kind of way?"
"Exactly! The way your face is so twisted, the way your soul is so warped... it's all just so irresistible!"
"I guess my pee pee would have to be considered 'modern' as well then."
"Ewww... that's gross."

:-)
32. 2008-10-25 08:36  
i think if we r trying too hard to be what we cant, it can get really frustrating. that kinda sum up the whole passive-aggresive approach of this article abt asians being looked at negatively. ppl should be comfortable in their own skin, tho sometimes the simplest thing is the hardest to do. better not complicate being asians with stereotyping, tho they r still lots of them out there doing that, once in a while u'd be surprise to see someone who look beyond the outer shell. not all caucasians r racists explicitly, nor of them looking at asians as someone they like because of the colonial/victorian concept of exoticsm, and we r all created equal, we r being created differently only to learn abt each other ;-)
33. 2008-10-25 09:04  
Just an observation, and by no means a criticism: would the author have felt the same way if they were not raised in Singapore?

Having lived in 3 different Asian countries (inc Singapore) over the last 5 years and lucky enough to have friends from so many places, I have only encountered such strong sensitivites in Singapore. I can't imagine my Chinese (Nationality) friends saying the same thing.

Personally, I'm glad of these differences. It makes the world a more interesting place. Every country and every person have their own hot topics.

PS There's not a word my boyfriend could say that I would not forgive. Love is unconditional.
34. 2008-10-25 09:30  
Falling in love and out of love is an experience each can savour. The mind has a way of recalling all of these experiences both pleasant and otherwise. Tony Buzan author of Mindmapping will be delighted to capture all these events in strengthening his research on the cognitive learning. The first 'love' is the most memorable. The first 'hurt' too is equally mind lingering
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36. 2008-10-25 10:17  
I'm a bit confused about all of this. Here in Australia ever since I was a kid living in Melbourne and now all of my adult life in Sydney, people from all different cultures make up the tapestry of our 'culture' Just walking down any main street in Sydney proves this.
I remember in high school being bullied and beaten up by Vietnamese classmates, which is hardly 'unmasculine' behaviour.

Exotic ?

( Exotic: "of foreign origin or character, alien, foreign, non-resident, strange, strikingly unusual". Source: Maquarie National Dictionary )

Walking down any major street in most parts of Sydney, Asian people, (or any other race for that matter) would not seem strange, different, or strikingly unusual.

But this is from an Australian's perspective living in Australia.

Are we all getting caught up in the this word ' exotic' ?

37. 2008-10-25 10:46  
Nice article! I guess the best part is when the exotic and the familiar become one and the same... That's when you cease worrying about culture and race and can really embrace the world.
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39. 2008-10-25 12:22  
I guess what amazes me most about this article is the number of comments !
Wong obviously assumes that every microscopic detail of his navel is of major interest to the rest of the world. I can't help but think about Proust, who had a similar approach, but somehow the talent to get you hooked into his hair-splitting and endless sentences. I guess the talent is yet to come for Mr Wong, and sorry for being so brutally honest about it.
The good news is... come to think of it... the reason im' struck by the mediocrity of this article (and I'm obviously not the only one) is that most of fridae's articles are anything but mediocre or boring !
40. 2008-10-25 12:40  
I think it's interesting that just because Shinen wrote honestly about being young and having insecurities and making mistakes that he's being attacked for it.

Why not take it as simply another perspective? He's not saying that this is how other young Asian men are, nor is he telling people how they should be.

Are we so insecure ourselves that if other gay asian men talk about feeling troubled or bothered by racism or insecure that it ruins our image of us being Happy Carefree Proud Gay Asian Men?

I think it was a fantastic article, well-written, with wisdom and wit. And the best thing: look at all the dialogue it's creating. Great.
41. 2008-10-25 12:46  
Very nice column!! I shall look forward to your next article. :)
42. 2008-10-25 13:59  
My, my... how many subtexts this article and its comments have spawned. So many things being said, so many things not being said, and a few things that probably could not be said without appearing racist. Shall we communicate the Asian way and brush over the brouhaha; or communicate the very Asian way and be passive-aggressive about it; or the most Asian way and pretend that nothing was said at all?
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44. 2008-10-25 15:09  
Finally a column worth reading ;) Looking forward to reading more of your discourses..;)
45. 2008-10-25 15:09  
A really great article. I am amazed that so many people didn't like it. It would be interesting to determine whether those who liked it and those who seemed to hate it so much are actually of differing cultures. I believe the article raised some very valid thoughts and belief's.
Shinen, I look forward to your future articles and keen to discover whether Sydney changes many of your views. I am sure you will find it as enlightened and rich as SF, if not more so. There are also a number of organisations there, working very hard to break down the barriers many gay Asians encounter, particularly in Western Countries. I am sure many of them would value your contribution. Again I look forward to future writings and also hope to notice that your views change a little after you have spent longer in Australia. Keep Happy
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47. 2008-10-25 15:14  
This rice queen rant stuff is pretty boring. I am a middle class white boy with a law degree from a pretty Australian University. I live in Sydney with my bad tempered Chinese boy friend and have for the last 10 years. He has the passport but used to queen around Beijing. He is really 'Chinese' but I have never considered him a girl, boy or some this else. He would have no idea where Dartmouth College is and in the term of our relationship I have never had to explain what deconstruction means because we don't talk about bullshit. He is one year younger than me and is his penis is bigger than mine.
48. 2008-10-25 15:26  
"Why can't I be accepted by white community? If not, something must be wrong with ME." Thus I can summarize this long-schlepped piece.

Nobody can please the whole world. So let go the ones you cannot and butt-kiss, literally, the ones you can.

The climax aroused by this wining cliche is indeed an epitome of insecurity among SOME asians rooted in their hatre-love-ambiguous colonial history. It is pathetically understandable.

There are something you can never change, so either swallow iit or bang your head against the wall till someone sheds a little sympathy out of conscience, keep your fingers crossed...

I can gurantee this endless topic no cure but TIME, when Asians are capable of financially, mentally, physically challenging the world.

After all who needs the cure, only those inscure. -peace

Pleeeese, I wan to hear POSITIVE voice, not negative narcicuss stories.
49. 2008-10-25 17:21  
The intention of a column is to provoke debate and this one surely does. Enjoyed the article.
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51. 2008-10-25 17:49  
yes, #42 hits the bullseye...Mr. Wong should keep writing....his talent is obvious, his ability to elicit honest, emotional feedback; also obvious by the 41 comments before mine. And fridae.com should continue giving young (gay) talents the opportunity to go public. This very well maybe an old, tired story...and there might be some "rookie mistakes" excessive "thesaurus-surfing", and the faint smell of overly self-obsessive" neurotic self-analysis and colonial-victimization, but it was still a good read. Hey, how about all of you out there.all 257,522 fridae.com members.send in your own short stories and see if fridae.com will publish them, and then take the criticisms that a very tough, cynical, jaded gay audience will surely, and freely give you.
52. 2008-10-25 17:59  
"One of the insidious effects of colonisation for any culture, is in how it suddenly establishes certain images of sexuality and creativity as normative (as standards of normalcy)"
I don't see this happening in Hong Kong, which was decolonized more recently than Singapore. Perhaps Sinagpore has a more serious cultural cringe issue?
53. 2008-10-25 18:14  
What talent ! ? I don't see any, Only a White Washed Dear Diary Story that went horribly wrong for him soo we must all endure a crap load of paragraphs detailing how stupid he actually is.
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55. 2008-10-25 18:51  
seoulseeker (post 37) your last sentence is totally brilliant in its sharp provocation. You should write articles on Fridae, i bet those would be anything but boring !!
justquest (post 45) i'm interested that you mention the word "diary" because that's exactly what i thought when i read the article... i thought "hey I used to write this kind of self-pitying, bloated and long winded stuff in my diary when I was 18!" for years i couldn't read it without a mixture of amusement and shame. Now I just think it's kind of cute, but to publish it... ?? come ooon ! one would have to be iredeemably narcissistic :-))
56. 2008-10-25 18:56  
Why is it when people open their heart and try to create a dialogue with others.. we are so quick to discredit and condemn them.
The content is never the essence of a good discussion..it is the intent to connect and relate.
Thank you Shinen..for trusting your heart enough to share it with us.
Drew
57. 2008-10-25 19:03  



I have to say he is a good writer ; however, I can;t agree with him on many points being raised in this article. The final paragraph of this article is a sheer brilliance. But is there any culture existing in the world able to achieve the utopia that peoplave have craved for?
58. 2008-10-25 19:04  
Contrary to what posters below are saying, I do not find it too wordy. No need to put down the thesaurus!
This is a good article, written with great thought. It really strikes me how hard it is to be gay sometimes, as I rarely have problems with it. I guess some people are just luckier than others. Rather than over-analysing a word someone called you a long time ago or moping about the current state the world is in, live your life for yourself! It makes life so much easier
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61. 2008-10-25 19:37  
It's not about opening your heart. That's is something you do in your diary or with your friends.

This is a published piece which some one got paid to write. It is supposed to be entertaining and provocative, unfortunately it is neither.

Most of the controversy surrounds the poor standard of writing and the fact that the author needs to get over himself and realise he still has a lot to learn about life, love and relationships.

I went to the Gold Coast today, as i mentioned earlier in a previous comment. There is an Asian supermarket on the Pacific Highway, in huge letters it says "Exotic Asian Groceries" and it is owned by an old Asian couple. Singaporeans are lucky to get noticed for anything other than being boring. The Singaporean friends i have are never asked if they are Singaporean because they don't fit the mold, ie... boring, speak Singlish and think that Singapore is really as Western country.

Thank you yuventius, JustQuest and yveserwan, i really enjoyed your comments.

There are a lot of issues that could be critically analysed in the article, not because the author was particularly poinant and thought provoking, but because he managed to touch on a few topics which struck a comon cord with members of this website Which is not hard considering it is a gay website run in Singapore for Poato Queens, Sticky Rice and Rice Queens to meet potential partners and "friends".
62. 2008-10-25 19:50  
Some of you guys might think the story is boring and he needs to get over himself. I'm not saying it's super or a masterpiece, but at least he wrote about something different from locker rooms, underwear, clubs, Madonna and designer labels. Those of you who criticise him so much perhaps should learn to open your heart to others' personal experiences and learn what you can from them.
63. 2008-10-25 19:52  
Phantasmo great comments

Anyone with a brain that actually read the story would understand how flawed and contradictory this aggravating dribble was to read, it was a piece about self perception and dividing and dissecting who you really are soo you could be something different from what you were born as, it's as simple as that wanting to be a part of White washed society.

The comments that do not agree with the Writer is in fact not Jadedness or Harsh Criticism but telling it like it is in the real world, it's either black or white and shades of grey fall in between, but your either one or the other no denying it or being wishy washy about who you are, in this case your still Yellow like the majority of us on this Site, get over it, your no better then me or another person online who is Asian just because you feel your ethnically challenged or have had a harsh understanding of what the real world is really like BooHoo, frankly these hard lessons of life should have been learnt ages ago in your teens, it's all around us just open your deluded eyes and you will see your observations have been done to death, it reminded me of something I would read or find in the diary of an 8 YR old Autistic Asian school Girl...

64. 2008-10-25 19:59  
I am coming to Sydney next weekend JustQuest, i think i am going to have to buy you a coffee. Your last comment really made me laugh, the school girl part was harsh, but very funny.

Cheers,

D
65. 2008-10-25 20:05  
It seems that my article has sparked a lot of different emotions in people. Empathy, anger, sadness, joy, loathing, inspiration, compassion, pity, and so on.

I am honoured to have the space on fridae.com to witness and express the depth of existential angst, irony, humour, and wisdom that our community collectively possesses.

I am grateful to those of you who share in the thoughts, fears and joys that I have expressed in this article, and thank you very much for your sharing, your defense of my article, and also for your constructive criticism. I am also grateful, for those of us who dislike my article, style of writing, political opinions, and/or attitudes. We have much to be thankful for: The freedom here on fridae.com to express and demonstrate our discontent openly.

We are truly in a blessed moment in our Asian Gay&Lesbian history! This is an opportunity for us to explore our differences, question our preconceptions, and of course, to challenge what we ultimately cannot agree with. This is exactly what makes me being proud of being part of a strong and diverse gay and Asian community. I thank you all for taking the time to comment.

Peace
Shinen
66. 2008-10-25 20:06  
Phantasmo..your comment is very true.
As you said.."It's not about opening your heart. That's is something you do in your diary or with your friends."
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It is a sad indictment on free-speech that a lot of what is published are:
(1) News items with very little truthful content - packaged to "sell" rather than genuinely inform.
(2) Media packages from various political sources designed to promote the status quo.
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Perhaps a society in which the press is a more accurate reflection of what is in people's hearts..would not be such a bad thing?
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kudos to Fridae and Shinen for having the courage to challenge the staus quo :)
67. 2008-10-25 20:22  
Shinen it takes guts addressing the Positives and Negatives on your story for that I will give you a pat on the back mate for leaving a comment shows Maturity which I didnt find in your story itself but in your comment below.

Cheers "J"
68. 2008-10-25 20:28  
This article would probably have been a pretty good essay in a university context. Im sure professors would love it.

However, this is a gay online website with a different target audience as compared to an academic context. Half of the people won't/don't care for the ability to use thesaurus-wielding techniques and a poetic style of writing. Sometimes, a good article with simple english hits the spot just right. No need for big, lengthy words.

I'm sure some people would have already hit the back button before they even finish reading the article.

JustQuest - your comments are great, but the autistic school girl part was a little out of line. :)
69. 2008-10-25 22:04  
Excellent article! A great read, insightful and well communicated! Also very thought provoking...especially for me, a caucasian.
70. 2008-10-25 22:15  
Shinen!

Such a sensitive, complex and articulate being.

Asian people and culture are beautiful - whether it is exotic or familiar, it is still beautiful and that is the more important truth.

Perhaps once this is realised and accepted it will solve all sorts of turmoil in oneself.

To offer some reflection in hindsight: which is more important - the word that S used, or what he meant by it? Perhaps instead of obsessing over the word he used, it would have been more useful to observe his other words and actions over time to understand how he felt about you, which would in turn explain what he meant when he said it. I'm sure it was more innocent, admiring and loving than you gave it credit for ;)

Love is not about words, don't let them get in the way of it =o)

Thanks for the intimate article.

Love,
Kyle
71. 2008-10-26 00:50  
*pat pats*
72. 2008-10-26 01:59  
I read some of it, but not all of it. You know.... it's about my attention span. This could have all been said in 500 words or less and still conveyed the same feeling.

Keep it brief. Make it clear and to the point.

That said..... if a caucasian guy says you're "exotic"..... that means he thinks you're fucking beautiful. Anything wrong with that?
73. 2008-10-26 07:07  
perfection is difference and its enjoyment.
74. 2008-10-26 08:57  
Shinen your post below was much more articulate and thought provoking. Please write more like that in the future.

JustQuest is right, it took guts to read all the posts and respond with such political verv

Thank you to drewblueSYD for your comments and remaining objective.

This will be the last bost on this article from me, i think enough has been said by everyone.
75. 2008-10-26 09:03  
hey, I get called exotic too by American boys, cause I was raised for sometime as a Amish boy, it happens to the best of us . . .
76. 2008-10-26 09:04  
hey i really like this new columist, very honest and spinfree cycle zone here
77. 2008-10-26 09:14  
*sigh* This is a great piece of considered writing! Why aren't you writing for ME on MyOutSpirit? LOL
78. 2008-10-26 09:20  
I liked the story very much. Such things should happen more often - about being intrigued by different cultures etc. I was in a similar situation before but it didn't have a very polite and decent ending!
79. 2008-10-26 10:08  
A refresher! Brings back many memories while studying overseas.
Surprised to see so many postings responding to this article. Keep it up!
80. 2008-10-26 10:37  
I have always been exotic
81. 2008-10-26 12:01  
To be obsessed with one little word is a little sad. Your Mr. S called you "exotic", so what? You should take it as a compliment.
America isn't as perfect as you said, you know. Your views toward America is so innocent! In fact, the country has some serious flaws like every other places although maybe less so than where you were born and grew up.
It would be better if you could see Mr. S beyond that word he described you. Look at him in a broader perspective over time to see and understand what he really feels about you. After all, in my opinion, love is not all about words.
Peace,
Sebastian
82. 2008-10-26 12:34  
Shinen, I like the ideas you expressed in your writing - it sounds somewhat familiar.

I'm a Spanish-mix Filipino - born in Philippines and immigrated to outback Central Australia. I take a strange pride in my 'Latin-Asian' colonial heritage hoping that I would be seen as 'exotic', yet terrified of being different. Even the word 'Banana' doesn't even come close to describing my ethnic and sexual identity.

I'm on exchange and here in Taiwan, I feel that people know close to nothing about their closest neighbor the Philippines, despite having fluency in English, and having 2 of the oldest universities established in 1600's and once being the 2nd strongest economy in Asia.

To me, Han-Chinese (regardless of nationality), Japanese and Korean are the supreme image East Asians. I feel that they are the new 'White' - the new civilized and sophisticated, with their silky-white hairless bodies and straightened hair - this hit me when I first went into the scene in Sydney at 18 years of age. A mixture of classism, elitism, racism and sexuality.

I have backpacked 14 Asian countries and know that Filipino's have a bad image in Asia as blue-collar workers - housemaids, factory workers, care-takers, entertainers and sex workers. 'The brown slaves of the world'. I was at a bar in Melbourne and had a Singaporean girl mention that her boyfriend was Filipino - Chinese-Filipino to be exact, not even mentioning his Hispanic heritage and to me this shed some light on Han-Chinese-chauvinism though not interntional.

My Taiwanese love-interest said I was 'interesting' and that he had a crush on me because I felt so passionate about these immigrant minorities and their mistreatment - he even said that he would want to work together for a common goal. My 'interesting' might just be your 'exotic'. Reciprocally I found it interesting that he spent some time in Australia and dreams of studying Spanish in Latin America, where other Han-Chinese would obssess over how to get perfect English in Western countries and look down on or largely neglect non-Western countries.

There's a lot of issues within our own Asian community that I feel that needs more urgent attention. It would be great if you could write something on it - whatever it may be.

"And it was this refusal, armoured by my insecurities, that was finally to my own detriment."

These words pretty much some up my frustrations. Thanks for sharing your story Shinen!
83. 2008-10-26 14:17  
Exotic=Foreign

We, Asian Americans, work very hard to try not to be perceived as the perpetual "foreigner" in the US. Hence to use the word "exotic" to describe a person, especially Asian Americans, would be considered offensive.

That's all folks.
84. 2008-10-26 18:13  
Hi,

I am a LatinoHispanic - Chinese mixed guy.
Usually when some guys call me exotic.. it means that i look sexy or hot, or wild. Just like " Exotic fruits" they are very nice looking with great flavours.

Also in my country of origin "Dominican Republic", People describes exotic as the sexiness of a person, like looking at some sexy pictures of a model, maybe a shoot in some jungle, they will say " woww, you look so exotic there, very wild."

So I will take the word " Exotic" as a complement.

Thanks :).

Leandro.
85. 2008-10-26 19:30  
The more comfortable you are about yourself, the more attractive you will seem to other people.

Insecurity + Desperation = Recipe for Breakup
Unless the other party is willing to do the same... that is put everything out in the open and no mind games. But still insecurity is very unattractive!

Don't over analyze or theorize something such as "exotic". The solution is simple. If he keeps a distance, it just means he doesn't like you as much as you like him. Find someone else! Relationship is not a one-way street. It's 2-Ways!
86. 2008-10-26 23:21  
Yakuza_boi's comments (#71) merit a column on their own. There is indeed a lot of racial insecurity/supremacy garbage going around within our own Asian community. What he said about Chinese/Japanese/Korean as representing the "new white" breed is a notion Asians should not be perpetuating. As a Korean, I know that when I go to Japan I am still generally viewed by the older generation as a culturally inferior human being. And sad to say, when Filipinos come to Korea to work in our hotels as maids and entertainers, the noses of many Koreans suddenly rise higher into the atmosphere. Ridiculous.

I can't help feeling that some of this "newfound" status is directly related to the economic prowess that Japan has long exhibited, Korea and China, only more recently so. When Southeast Asia and yes, India, catch up in terms of per capita GDP, I wonder if these Asians will not then be considered the new "cool" kids on the block.

87. 2008-10-26 23:49  
What obsessive melancholy. It's just a word and certainly meant as a compliment. Just take it as it is intended rather than analysing it until it becomes something else all together.
88. 2008-10-27 01:17  
Hola Lord Wong!
Que tal?
Ni hao ma?

Hiya Shinen! All alright? -Pronounced with a long drawl on the first syllable of 'alright' like a true london cockney lad, rough and tough guys but sweet of desposition when they are charmed by you. Or does this sound like a race and class infused discrimenatory 'exotic' comment by an asian cocky lad of a 'white ass'? For your information I myself am much charmed by the irony and sarcasm laden, accents, suffused with warmth, of the Irish, the Scottish and all other accents of England (e.g northern New Castle (Geordie) or liverpoodlian) except/barr posh Queen's English. Oeps I did it again, a lacial, sorry, a racial slur, my apologies. Or no apologies needed there there are just my own aesthetic ethics?-

I read you story with mighty interest, very well written. Regardless of your racial inclinations (if you have them - make no misunderstanding, i make no assumptions of your proclivities. I am just staying in the line of your article) I applaud the fact that you at least in the open with courage discuss the pitfalls of the rules of attractions. Are there rules? Are they/there pitfalls? I console myself with the fact that I am human and all actions are human and does not need defending or the scientific explorations of 'WHY'.

Although my thick skin is one that rolls his eyes upwards with jaded ironic disbelief to the soap opera tales of my fellow compatriots on Mother Earth I do to my own disbelief harness a little core of sentimental romanticism ( or is it my old age? ... lol) that says Love straight from the hip -or is it heart?- needs no explanation.
Of course as long as it carries a No Harm sign - do not do to others what you don't want to befall upon you, says the number i-don't-know command of Moses. Sometimes one has to sacrifice one's loves due to the fact that one is a Thoughtful and Responsible guy, predicting the hurt that can befall you or the others. Being thoughtful and responsible perhaps puts a demper on your freedom but enhances your belief in humanity, in you and others.

So I concur with other postscripts/comments, that if there is still distance felt, that now is not the time, perhaps ... Nunca se sabe. But one can not make its lifeplans based on 'perhaps ' You will carry always the memories of those sweet moments with S and that can be quite an elixer of life to sustain oneself for ever.
It happened and can happen again and again because it has happened before.
Be aware of bitterness it's a poison invisible and non tracable.

To put it in context perhaps I can shed a bit of light on my background. I am of HK-Chinese background but a BBC, Belgian Born Chinese, not British. I grew up in a very tight traditional environment ruled by the iron fists of my parents. Like all Chinese expats they have remained much more traditional than those of the country of origin. But as I said I came from Belgium, a little staid very Catholic conservative country at the time and perhaps still is now.

Chinese traditions - Catholic traditions - Conservatism - Class minded society (though I have to give it to the belgians, borders are allowed to be transgressed) - Institutionalised racism - ... amidst all this I grew up. But I was blessed with a naivity, unaware of all the different tools of measurements, I grew up. OK, I admit through my parents I had to be and act Super Chinese. They instilled or tried to instill a pride in me bordering on a racial disdain of the 'kweilow' while I was unconsciously aware that if I wanted to get anywhere I had to play/defeat the game according the gospels of Belgium. Confused I might have been but I took it all in my stride - Chinese Pragmatism. I presume we are quite good in -isms. I have learned to be just a human of earth and to take those aspects and qualities of each or all cultures befitting my own personality. I don't need to be aligned strictly to only one confusing small little world. (Highly Recommendable book for those who read and all others who should read - "The History of Intimacy" by Theodore Zeldin, a MUST!!)

Then puberty hit me. Again unaware hormones now started to play a role. Puberty then brought me another hit, that feeling that I was different ... Mind you, being brought up in a Chinese traditional household in a Catholic stronghold I was not familiar yet with the concept of homosexuality. What's that?

So sexuality, another seed started to burgeon.

To cut the story short and to go straight to your line of topics, the above naivity was perhaps another blessing that my sexuality tried to blossom without knowing the concept that even in gaydom, that ultra liberal world, there ware racial distinctions/devides till I moved to the AngloSaxon countries. I was baffled. You know although I was surrounded by caucasians I always felt attracted to men first, MEN, regardless of their creed/colour.

You see Catholic Culture love by heart while the Protestant one by mind. Heart can be/is direct without questions asked, tempesteous in a good sense and afterwards the questions are posed. Meanwhile Mind has to scrutinise each step behind the context you grew up, the science behind it, with all the prejudices before a hint of love appears on the horizon but by then the object of desire has moved on ... I know it's a very big generalisation perhaps a massive one and for that matter a very racist one ... but hey stereotypes do exist, the fact that our parents want their children to be like them, the fact that we all grow up emulating the ones next to us ... while we all proclaim to be independent and different. How different are we all watching Pop Idol and chopping at Walmart?

Oeps I did it again a long monologue often derailing of the track. Social obligations call. So I finish for now by saying I welcome all criticism.

Loves

Blutriad

ps: Keep it up Shinen - I want to hear more from you.
89. 2008-10-27 10:24  
another whiny, whingy asian seeking validation and self-pity... get over it!! no wonder people stereotype us..
90. 2008-10-27 11:23  
What a silly topic for an article! Here are the first two definitions of exotic: 1) of foreign origin or character; not native; introduced from abroad; 2. strikingly unusual in effect or appearance. As a Singaporean in New Hampshire, you were to many, in fact, exotic. Does this experience really justify an entire article? Weird.
91. 2008-10-27 13:25  
i refuse to be any white person's fetish... why are so many of my gay brothers so willing?
92. 2008-10-27 16:48  
i think we should give wong a chance to express himself. freedom of speech, remember?

if he thinks that the word exotic is not supposed to be used to describe him, it would be better of for wong to say it to S urself.

but please, dont think much about it.. go and have 'fun' with the white dude..

exotic or not, u will forget it at that time..
:P
93. 2008-10-27 20:14  
Can fridae raise the bar on the content of the articles in this site please? This article is shallow and amateurish. We would like to see more substantive and thought-provoking pieces in this space!
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96. 2008-10-28 14:44  
I was wondering when the inevitable sanctimonious piece would come up and sure enough, here it is ! delivered this time by Mr Jimmy (post#81). The wording this time is :

"i think we should give wong a chance to express himself. freedom of speech, remember?"

Yep, Father Jimmy, we remember. And freedom of speech is precisely what we're exercising when we write our comments, thanks to Fridae. Once and for all, can it be understood and agreed that the "comments" board here is... a board made for comments, be they enthusiastic or horrified, sarcastic or gentle, downright stupid or highly sophisticated ?
Commentators do NOT have to agree with the columnist, and Mr Jimmy does NOT have to agree with the commentators ! No matter what, please STOP giving us these ridiculous lessons on freedom of speech, tolerance etc. The whole point of debating is confronting views that range from similar to radically opposed, and IT'S OK, it's actually interesting !!
Shinen was PAID for writing this article, NO ONE censored a word of what he said, so where is the problem about freedom of speech ? If you took the time to read ALL the comments, Father Jimmy, you would see that young Mr Wong himself wrote a remarkable answer (post # 54), accepting criticism and yet making his point (incidentally this little piece of his greatly increased my personal opinion on his writing skills). He did not feel the need to whine about "freedom of speech" so why do you think you have to do it on his behalf ? Isn't this obviously more about your own insecurity ?
If you can't read the comments without being shocked by their inherent (and welcome) plurality, then DON'T READ THEM, and for freedom of speech's sake spare us your sermons!
(ok now shoot bro ! i'm ready for your insults and further sermons lol)
97. 2008-10-28 16:46  
my,my, judging by this article & most of the comments below, it seems most of us still have many racial/cultural/identity issues lol.
98. 2008-10-29 08:34  
"
Post #82 ChromeB says (Posted : 27 October 2008 20:14) :

Can fridae raise the bar on the content of the articles in this site please? This article is shallow and amateurish. We would like to see more substantive and thought-provoking pieces in this space!
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Thought provoking? I think the comments below prove this article was more than simply thought provoking. It not only provoked thoughts, but it invoked feelings, raised issues and changed people's perspectives.

Similarly, the article was far from shallow or amateurish. It provided a deep insight into a person's perspective, and was very enjoyable to read. It doesn't force an opinion down your throat. He presents his views of the world and allows others to make up their own minds.

This, however, seems to have had the undesirable effect of people thinking the opinion they form on the topic after having read the article was the opinion the author was attempting to force.

Very impressive, Shinen. Well done.
99. 2008-10-29 08:57  
Hi Shinen,

Your article has sparked off quite a discussion on the GayMensHealth Ning and I wanted to post my response here as well, in case you wanted to respond.

-- Dan

Errrr, hold on a second... Wong exoticised the living hell out of his crush object "S".

"He was scruffy, lightly bearded on his boyish face, with short sugary-brown hair gently tousled on his head. He was Caucasian, with a lean, tight-framed, slightly lanky body."

In effect, he's punishing "S" for being honest. The boy comes from a state that's 97% white. He meets a passionate, attractive, intelligent, older, gay man, from a tiny island city-state in the middle of South-East Asia. There's a huge contrast there, an encounter with the unprecedented, and it really does it for him. His choice of words was unfortunate, but it was an honest description of the struggle he faced - to see past the double-bind of cultural difference and his erotic impulse to objective the Other, to the person on the other side of that gulf of meaning. The fact that he was honest tells me that he mostly succeeded, or perhaps that he was so innocent of critical theory and cross-cultural encounters that he didn't know not to use That Word.

But he used it and Wong punishes him for it, using the ready-made critical theory "template" cued by the special criticism post-colonial theory reserves for the fetishisation of the Orient by white colonial desire - exoticization. There's only one problem. Our gentle nerdy whiteboy is clearly coded in this account as feminine, and he surprises Shinen by saying what he likes in the Asian man is his masculinity. Post-colonialism critiques the way Western cultures feminize the exotic Orient, so that Asian women are seen as hyper-feminine and hence extra-specially desirable but Asian men are seen as less than fully masculine and denied sexual agency. But "S" accords Shinen what an exoticizing desire would deny him.

An alternative reading of this account would suggest Shinen exoticized his freshman crush object, investing him with a huge load of expectations, and when these were frustrated, he went post-colonial on the poor guy's ass. That's my big frustration with post-colonialism - it enacts a structural relationship between "white = colonial perpetrator = exoticizer = wrong" and "brown = colonised subject = sexual object = (in the) right".
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107. 2008-10-29 13:09  
Hi livewire,

What a great comment! I agree with you, that in effect, what I was doing was exoticising "S," which is exactly what I was attempting to convey in the article. I had unwisely conflated my desires for him with my desires to remain in America. And correctly, this is an unfair burden of responsibility to place on just one person!

Your criticism of post-colonial theory is one that I share, which is that by naming the binary between a 'masculine' colonial West/Occident and a 'feminine' subjugated East/Orient, it simultaneously re-creates the very cultural narrative it is trying to deconstruct. At the same time, the historical reality of exoticism of the "Orient" (with its changing referents, from the Middle East/North Africa, to East/Southeast Asia) cannot be denied.

I believe that the core point of my article was not to further demonstrate how exoticism continues, but to use my personal story as raw material to intentionally blur the lines between "exoticizer" and "exoticized," and demonstrate instead the arbitrariness of what gets named as "exotic."

In other words, to leap out of such a dualistic frame of mind (which, as you put it, is: "white = colonial perpetrator = exoticizer = wrong" and "brown = colonised subject = sexual object = (in the) right"), I was positing an alternative framework: To compassionately view the dynamic between exoticizer/exoticized as a two-way street, that attraction is not so easily framed as one-directional, and to suggest the importance of empowered responsibility of both parties involved. i.e. Going beyond the dualism "blaming the perpetrator" and "blaming the victim," into a space of no-blame at all, but rather a detached analysis and acceptance of the potential for empowerment, love and responsibility between two lovers, even within such complex cultural circumstances. The point is to prioritize our common humanity in our differences, not to maintain these differences as irreconcilably polarised and eternal.

Hence the conclusion!

Thank you for such an engaged and thoughtful comment. :)

Peace
Shinen
108. 2008-10-29 21:02  
Exoctic is a positive term and does not imply that it is less valuable than not-exotic. Does not imply that it is not normal. It is the authors own doubts of self worth that placed that negativity there. Why would a person who is called exotic assume they are nothing more than an object? Self worth issues there for sure. You admit you obsessed for months about this. Why? If it bothered you so much why wouldn't you just ask your boyfriend what he meant before letting your negativity crawl all over it for months on end. If anyone had the problem here it is surely the author. Communication isn't all about you dwelling on a single word or concept. Talk to your partner and find out what they really meant. My interpretation of the phrase "exotic and moder" is 100% positive. If you feel like a rug or a vase maybe you really are!
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112. 2008-10-30 19:03  
Excuse me, Shinen. Why are you making it complicated for yourself?
113. 2008-10-30 22:03  
It is sad when someone is so bright! they tend to think too much. just enjoy it!! I love your story I can tell you are a very open person..

B
114. 2008-10-31 03:36  
It is curious that you are extrapolating an experience that most people (everyone?) experiences at least once to the idea of being 'Asian'. Well, do you have a problem?

Also, you "accuse" S of objectifying you but you only describe him by his appearance.

Interesting topic.

aganbrian@hotmail.com
115. 2008-10-31 04:21  
Shinen needs a good editor. His writing is arkward and his sentence structure is simply wrong. Although the essence of the story is fine, please take some writing classes. With help, you will be able to express your thoughts much more clearly.

As far as the idea that there is anything wrong with being attracted to exotic men, I find that very sad. There is nothing wrong with a white guy finding an Asian man attractive, just as there is nothing wrong with a skinny guy finding a fat guy attractive, a straight short black man finding a tall blond girl attractive, and any number of combinations. As gay men, can we all just accept that fact the we should not be judgmental about what we find attractive? If you are lucky enough to find someone who loves and you love them back, appreciate what you have. Enjoy life. Do not look for misery and sadness what it does not have to exist. So many people, and often gay men, seem to seek drama, conflict and unhappiness. Be more accepting and less critical and be thankful for all you have instead of being sad over what you are missing. Perhaps if you lived that way, you would have much more.
116. 2008-11-01 19:19  
"exotic" .1. introduced from or originating in a foreign (esp. tropical) country (exotic fruits). 2.attractively or remarkably strange or unusual; (The Oxford English Reference Dictionary).
117. 2008-11-01 22:36  
First of all , i disagree with beachboy941018.

There isn't anything wrong with Shinen's writing. What he had tried to express is explicitly clear and well constructed. I don't reckon that base on a person's writing like the above article need the extend of "undergoing English composition class".

If he does so, then i reckon all of us here including Master or Phd holders should do this as well.

Shinen's concept of an Asian who is skinny and be claimed to have exotic characteristics is totally irrelevant and shouldn't be regarded as the subject matter. We have to recognize that people perspective of "beauty" or "good looking" or even "exoticism" vary according to their impulsiveness and depending on how they fin pleasures on it.

So, in the nutshell, stop bugging yourself and make it a big deal.. Be yourself!!

118. 2008-11-02 09:42  
Hey Shinen, I loved your article. Been in Sydney for over 20 years now as a gam and I come from KL Malaysia. We have a lot in common with our perceptions about our colonial past. I also notice that gay men from mainland china do not have this "affliction" of feeling inferior to westerners and I'm very intrigued by that. Many people may find this inferiority complex shocking but for us post-colonials, it's very deeply imbued in our psyche and hard to fight. Articles like yours are a huge step towards overcoming this. Hope to meet you in Sydney sometime :)
119. 2008-11-02 12:02  
Are we not mutually attracted by difference and exoticism? I fully accept my attraction to my Chinese boyfriend as being partly due to his ethnicity, but so much more goes into the mix than that.

It appears to me that if one is attracted to people radically different from ourselves (as most of us are), acceptance that a person's ethnicity plays a part does not belie any insecurity or lack of 'integration'.

Ethnicity is an unavoidable aspect of interracial relationships. In fact, I found it remarked upon when, as a (white) Yorkshire lad, I dated an (also white) Welsh boy. Enjoy it, laugh about it, be inquisitive, mutually learn about your respective cultures, and above all be glad you've got somebody.

Celebrate exoticism, don't try to make the world colour blind and 平衡- it's not a healthy road for the gays!
120. 2008-11-05 10:19  
i see that free speech us not alive and well on fridse.com as my post on this article has been deleted. I will say again this story is a load of crap, packaged to sell, written by someone who cannot write who thinks vases and strip dancers are the exotic
121. 2008-11-06 17:43  
I'm asian but I never find asains sexualy attracted. I dated only white guys, but well not just if you are a white guy and i'll date you. there are more than that but yeah something about appearance is somehwat important!
122. 2008-11-21 19:37  
It is hard to sympathise, much less identify, with the writer, because the article is just too contrived. His ideas are not original, and the whole piece is peppered with pretentious cliches and unformed sentences.

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