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Finally a minuscule notion of common sense. Now back up to undoing the caning penalty.

Thank God, literally.

It's so sad that a society can even consider such
barbaric and cruel behaviour in the first place.

How twisted is a logic that condones violence as
a way of advancing the social good?

It's a great relief though that this recent bylaw has been
unsuccessful - and that many Acehnese may sleep a
little more soundly tonight -
knowing that a son or daughter, other loved one,
or themselves -
will not be stoned to death, or whipped in public
for simply expressing "love" and attraction
for another person.

wordless to the muslim.....

rubbish!

oh well, there goes our controversial tsunami...

what a load of crap.. of course the judges would wanna sentence everyone with the 'payin gold' fine ..
using a religion to back up human greed n arrogance is pathetic.
u know what,they should have those laws,
then the locals would start moving out of that province, no one would wanna visit that area becoz of fear..bye bye to business ventures..nothing productive would come their way n slowly..they start killing each other becoz the laws thats surpressing their mentality would explode...
everything would collapse.
done.

Indonesian Home Minister: "the laws [homosexuals whipped] are "detrimental" to the Acehnese and would "frighten" visitors and investors, as well as possibly not respecting the [national] constitution."

Why doesn't his Singaporean counterpart think likewise that keeping a law that requires imprisonment of those who have gay sex for up to 2 years would, too, ""frighten" visitors and investors, as well as possibly not respecting the [national] constitution."

Strange.

Perhaps Fridae should advertise on its website and others that are visited by potential investors and visitors to Singapore the fact that Singapore's government still keeps 377a.

Let's see how the investors and visitors, especially those from the North America., Europe, and Australasia would perceive this country. NONE of USA, Canada, Mexico, Australian, New Zealand and ALL the member-nations of the European Union has an equivalent law, despite the fact that many of them are significantly more religious than secular Singapore, and the fact that the majority of their people are, of course, straight. In fact, almost all among these countries have a higher birth rate than Singapore.

Hence, legalizing homosexuality has never been proven to convert these nations into some "gay nations" with 'an entire generation of homosexuals' or to affect their birth rates. In fact, it's Singapore which proclaims to be formed mainly of a so-called 'conservative majority', and which still criminalises gay sex, that has a much lower birth rate.

Obviously, if the Singapore government thinks that this (having 377a) is a positive attribute, it would be more than happy to proudly declare to people in these regions where the bulk of our foreign investment had originated about it.

But the fact is, you don't need to be a statistician to see a strong correlation between economic development and liberalization of sex-regulating laws. Compare the per capita GDP of all the countries which don't have 377a-equivalent laws with that of those which have, and it's not hard to see a huge statistical significance.

For those who hate working with numbers (like I), just look compare the 2 blocs:
1) USA, Canada, European Union, Japan, Australia, NZ......that do not have 377a-like laws; and
2) Middle East and Africa where many countries still have 377a-like laws and of course, Singapore.
Which bloc is more prosperous and developed?

What a pathetic picture .. anyone who hits a woman is a coward. What a fucking narrow minded and cruel society they live in under this awful Shariah bylaw. WAKE UP PEOPLE .. MAKE A CHANGE .. and ENJOY YOUR LIFE !!

Having travelled exstensively around aceh for a few months very far from the beaten track I'd like to say that the people of the special provence of Aceh are very welcoming, genuine, generous and peacefull. I was very open about my sexuality on road blocks, in villages and in Banda Aceh. I was met with curiousity, apathy and warmth... I am aware of many gay immans in the Kampung and in every part of their society. Wishing a tsunami to wipe them out as punishment reader 6 shows how ill educated and naive you. Obviously there is an internal political battle taking place in the ruling elite and its a great shame they are not pressing for human rights and basic equality but simply thinking about the sparse tourist rupiah (there is none due the image of the war, tsunami and flood a few years ago) and the shoddy industry that is failing.
Indonesia will never be like Iran or Saudi. Hiding behind a monotheistical doctrine of lies for social control is joke.

thanks honey, classy, fit, strong, hard working and good spirited gay men are back in vogue, don't let fridae's daily dose of bad news get u down, we will rise above all adversity and flourish and be the best dressed men on this planet (i promise to not wear any Acr-zombie when i am over forty), i welcome all suggestions, but now watching suze orman's msnbc segment "u cant afford it", she is she a hot and smart lesbian... we need more gay leaders with class and smarts like her.. rachael maddow is so hot too... anyway..once the leaders of Aceh watch Glee, we will win them over, they will know us as fun loving smart people that lead successful lives, make oodles of money, and smile like we mean it:) one question though is christian amanpour gay? she is smart and hot too...

while growing my uncle morty used to come over for coffee with my dad once a week to report all the killings and murders in the detroit neighborhood where he lived... his kids grew up paranoid and only ever went to community college, uncle morty was the most depressing guy i ever met, i really thank my dad for instilling values and confidence in me and breaking away from the doomsday news cycle of uncle morty

While all of us here might have biased views towards this piece of news, I find it disturbing that the Syariah Law was proposed to be applied to non-muslim as well... and that you can "buy" your way out with 1 kg of gold.

... what kind of logic is that? Thank goodness common sense prevailed.

And that pic is disturbing. Are we living in medieval time?

The picture says it all: barbaric, inhumane, stupid ...

It all reminds me of the old joke (turn away if you are offended by humour about religion).
In the time of Jesus a large crowd had gathered as a woman was about to be stoned for some biblical offence, maybe lesbainism or eating prawns, so long ago..... who remembers these things. Anyway Jesus faces the stone wielding mob that was itching to shed some blood and utters the now famous words, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
All were struck silent. Suddenly. THUD! From behind the crowd a stone had made its way to its target.
Jesus looks up, fuming, "Mother!"

wonder are these law set by god or set by man in the islam region??? I think god will not set up such a law there are many ways to this form of punishment la it is worst than hello being stone to death!!!!!!

This only shows that Islam is no longer current and not applicable in many ways......

First and foremost, please stop blaming the religion for this. There are progressives and conservatives in any religion, and we all know that the conservatives are always the more vocal ones.

So please, don't think that this is a religious issue. It's a human issue.

If you know the history of Acheh, they were established as the first Islamic nation 6 centuries ago at least, and then went on a war with another ancient sultanate (Melaka) to determine who was more Muslim.

So please, it's just people being people who know no better than to be arrogant, backwards and senile in their quest for supposed salvation.

It IS religion, stupid!

the exact fundamental brand of Islam that has been keeping people backwards, cruel, barbaric, inhumane, ignorant in most of the Muslim world today, while the rest of humanity has progressed.

See, there's that 'intelligent' brand of commenting again.

Islam, Christianity, Judaism are all bearing the same problems between progressives and conservatives, those who apply their laws unto others, and those who think that religion is an individual choice.

The 'rest of humanity', as you put it, has not progressed at all.

Exactly most other religions have progressed beyond barbarism, but Islam in MOST of the world today is still stucked in the past, and wants to turn the clock BACKWARD.

Would you live in a place where being gay means being stoned to dealth or a hanging sentence? Yet in many Muslim countries this is being done.

Yes the rest of humanity have progressed, thank goodness for that. The Muslim world can stay where they are, except when they want to export this barbarism to the rest via terrorism, we must fight against it, there is no other choice!!

Actually I am living in a country that still has the death penalty for being gay in two states out of 13.

I believe in the fact that the people define the religion, regardless of whichever one it is.

Christians have the Westboro Baptist Church, Muslims have Acheh.

The major difference in between the two is the fact that people are ignorant enough to buy the bullshit story that Muslims actually stoned everyone to death by stoning for being gay because it's what God said. It's not. It's not in the Koran, nor in the Hadith.

It's actually Jewish and Christian culture.

It is the undeniable FACT that being gay means dealth in many Muslim societies, as you have admitted proudly perhaps ?

Whatever Jewish or Christian or other religions have said or done, the undeniable fact is they no longer KILL people today based on adultery or pre-marital sex, or being gay. This is fundamentalist barbarism pure and simple.

still...a place to stay away from..... I advocate: no foreign investments, no tourism, no diplomatic recognition on a global scale by civilized nations....Aceh, a paraiah, one of many places on this planet who's government holds it's citizens prisoner.

Re: #25....

I'm sure the town of Laramie would disagree...

It is this level of reasoning which has brought Islam extremism to where it is today. So called "progressives" or "moderates" in Muslim society can not bring themselves to seeing the truth, allowing extremists to claim the voice of Islam. Who is to be blamed ?

Let me restate clearly: the debate here is about the LAWS of a society. Not crimes, crimes can happen anywhere. It is the Muslim laws sanctioning disproportionate, inhumane, and barbaric punishments including death to homosexuals (and many women) that are the subject here.

Your apologist attitude for Islam extremism simply makes it look worse not any better.

It is the religion la.....All the punishments are clearly depicted in Islam....and the people in Acheh are just executing the instruction literally based on what is written in the book.....

It is just in these days and time, some of the expectations/punishment from Islam are no longer relevant......

Stone a person to death when adultery is committed? that's civilize......

Aren't all laws, even civil one's against homosexuality considered inhumane too?

I'm not condoning Islamic extremism at all. Far from it. I'm an advocate for people to stop blaming religions for everything you think is wrong with it simply because you're too narrow minded to actually read through it and find out that it's being misinterpreted and used by extremists to justify their actions.

Again, you fail to see degrees and shades of arguments, and keep arguing for extremes, perfection or nothing. THAT is the reason for Islam extremists to claim their righteousness and that it is right to KILL people in the name of god.

Death sentence by law, and society restrictions and discrimination, to gays in particular, are far from the same thing. One end is the extreme, the end of life, the other is a much much more LIVABLE alternative.

Islam never said gays should be killed or murdered. Where the heck did you get that from?

It is religion, Islam, there is no escaping the fact that it is Shariah laws.

Why do you keep saying it is NOT religion??

Because Islam doesn't have a death penalty for homosexuality.

Well, sure, there's a promise of an afterlife in hell, but in all Islamic sources in terms of RELIGION, there is no punishment for homosexuality.

Homosexuality carries the death penalty in the following places:
-2 states in Malaysia (by your own admission)
-Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, Mauritania, northern Nigeria, Sudan, Yemen
-former Afghanistan under the Taliban

These are all MUSLIM places, period.
Can you name one non-Muslim country with the same death to homos sentence please?

They are Muslim MAJORITY places, yes. But these punishments are not based on the religion. There has never been scripture or the words of the Prophet that state that homosexuality is punishable by death.

China has the largest Muslim population in the world. No death penalty.

Indonesia is the largest Muslim majority country in the world and only Acheh is screwed up enough to put this through and failed to do so because they are a secular nation.

Similarly, let's look at the case of Turkey, another Muslim majority country which practice secularism. It doesn't bear the death penalty because it is a secular nation with a Muslim majority, yet you had a father kill his gay son out of tradition, not religion, let's set that straight.

Honor killings, and this punishment on homosexuality is not in any way related to the religion, but merely the people who spread it without going through various channels of interpretation.

Similarly as to how some of them even to this day justify slavery and poligamy as being permissible by religion.

My point is not theological arguments, or what Islam doctrines says or not, that is outside the scope of this limited debate on the above news about Shariah laws in Aceh.

My point is: there must be a correlated and causal RELATIONSHIP between the Islam religion and Islamic Shariah laws, still enforced in many Muslim places, which are barbaric, cruel, backward, and downright inhumane.

Do not forget: traditions mainly came from religious practice.

Even when there is no death sentence, sodomy laws in many Muslim countries are terrifying. They are actually used, remember Anwar Ibrahim?

Another point: there must be a strong relationship between Islam and religious jihads or terrorism being waged around the world.

Great if you can convince your own brothers and sisters on the merits of a more humane and accepting Islam, not a homophobic, anti-infidels, women-honor killings, xenophobia religion.

I keep forgetting: you have to write your comment first, then push the Submit button! Gays have been given a stay of execution in Aceh? A new and more enlightened legislature will take office soon? Can we breathe a sigh of relief? Not that I will ever be setting foot in the place.
Your anti-gay law is still on the books in Singapore, but is it ever enforced? Anti-gay laws were still on the books in many parts of the United States until just a few years ago, when they were struck down (finally) by the Supreme Court. (A previous Supreme Court --- in the 1970s --- had upheld such laws.) As I understand it: the government of Malaysia is still rabidly anti-gay, yet Malaysia has a large gay population. Presumably all still closeted. Remember never to set foot in Iran or Saudi Arabia, and I'd avoid Pakistan and Egypt too. Of course, no one in his right mind would set foot in Iraq --- whether gay or straight!

I keep forgetting: you have to write your comment first, then push the Submit button! Gays have been given a stay of execution in Aceh? A new and more enlightened legislature will take office soon? Can we breathe a sigh of relief? Not that I will ever be setting foot in the place.
Your anti-gay law is still on the books in Singapore, but is it ever enforced? Anti-gay laws were still on the books in many parts of the United States until just a few years ago, when they were struck down (finally) by the Supreme Court. (A previous Supreme Court --- in the 1970s --- had upheld such laws.) As I understand it: the government of Malaysia is still rabidly anti-gay, yet Malaysia has a large gay population. Presumably all still closeted. Remember never to set foot in Iran or Saudi Arabia, and I'd avoid Pakistan and Egypt too. Of course, no one in his right mind would set foot in Iraq --- whether gay or straight!

See, here's the thing with people trying to act smart by bringing up Anwar Ibrahim, who is charged not under Sharia law, but under CIVIL law.

And the tradition of stoning does come from religion, but not ISLAM, it's JEWISH~!

And honor killing of women started BEFORE the birth of ISLAM, and ISLAM itself frowns upon such practices.

Sigh...

Dude, just to give some principle on where stoning comes from, why don't you go get a copy of Monty Python's The Life of Brian.

The fact of the matter is, these barbaric, inhumane, backward Muslim Shariah laws, remains a practice in Muslim majority places.

No need to go anywhere, just take a look at the disgusting picture above.

Another point is, NEVER never appease cruelty disguised in the name of god. Otherwise, I would not even waste time to debate with you.

Yay!

Thank God??? Thank commonsense???

Thank neither, thank the almighty dollar

Aceh and its people are truly lovely. I hope things will progress in a sensible and humane way in the future. My time there after the Tsunami will be well remembered - both in tears of sadness and tears of joy.
I can only hope the madmen who support idiotic laws get washed away next time............

We live in the 3rd Millennium, it’s high time that people pull their fingers out of their arses and ‘get with it’! This blatant disregard for human rights needs to be nipped in the budd, and any kind of talks have not achieved the necessary outcomes, and people who still subscribe to these archaic puerile laws need to be razed off the Earth, pure and simple!!

wow seems this article stimulates enough of attention.......... my dear, i am sorry to say that i am not a big fans of indonesia, and even i was born and grown up in a muslim country like malaysia, the laws is not as ridiculous as our neighbour (of course even Mahathir had used gay issue to get rid of Anwar!). and allah as witness, we will never forget what the indonesians had done to chinese in 1998!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

so, poverty besieges you guys for such a corrupted government, mr indo.

#51 & #52

....and you think this is limited to Islam?

well that what i question is this really god idea of a punishment or man make decision in the islam region? my personal believe is a man decision not god like stoning someone to death right.

5 Pakistani Muslim Women Buried Alive Killed In The Name Of Honor. SHOCKING

Five Muslim women beaten, tortured & then buried alive in Pakistan in the name of honor. The male mob murdered the women because they wanted to have love marriages. Violence against women including acid attacks, rapes & murder are common in Pakistan. Often carried out by men who are related to the women and/or from the same village as the women. The men carry out these evil acts against women because they feel it will restore their families honor in the village/society.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHcqdA8t4c4

CNN airs portions of Du'a Khalil Aswad a 17 year old Iraqi Yazidi girl who was stoned to death in an honor killing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIZJNrc8sKw&feature=related

aput.....u have very good points......since 1957 until now...even many states in malaysia r control by opposition ( include islamic party )...in malaysia we still never see any gay go to jail n caught by shariah law.

gay club still increasing every where in here....so nobody care about it...unless just wanna bring it up in media for sensational. thats all

And, pray tell, Jammyboi,

how many Muslims have died in Iraq, Afghanistan and Palestine, so far?

Good! Shariah law is for those who may believe and follow a certain faith. It has no place in the political arena of a free government and it's secular laws and system.
While laws are meant to control the society, Shariah law still follows power, control and inhuman brutality to control. God (whatever you call him/her) never intended punishment to be so barbaric in the practice of religious beliefs. Draconian measures like this have no place in today's global community.

#63

Really?

That's surprising, because I remember the IRA being labeled a terrorist organisation too.

Hindus perform honor killings and mutilation too. Christians persecuted intellectuals and still do.

Jews stoned people for saying Jehovah. Pagans and druids practiced cannibalism.

Dear Aput,

How many Muslims have been tourtured and killed by their own fellow countrymen in Iraq, Afghanistan and Palestine, so far?

Better still, let me ask you how many non-muslims have been killed by the muslim in Xinjiang Province just a couple of months ago? And recently, just how many non-muslims have been attacked by the muslims in Xinjiang Province in the name fo God?

If Islam is a loving and kind religion as you've claimed it to be, then what is the basis of those extremists' who claimed that they are acting in the name of Allah? If they have twisted the true teaching of islam, then how come those sensible muslim didn't come out and declare jihad against those extremists who had given Islam a bad name? Isn't that a holy cause worth fighting for?

It is undeniable that shariah laws are archaic and barbaric. Just take a good look at most of the Muslim countries (including the Muslim majority countries).

we are human, we have brains, thinkings, etc.
religion is good, but sometimes over religion-oriented lead one loses
his/her own direction/personality.

do not ever overidden

good job Indonesian Government!

Aput... its a typical muslim strategy to direct criticism away from their 'beautiful' religion by pointing out the shortcomings of other religions/regimes

That in no way absolves muslims from their crimes against humanity.

You are simply demonstrating some of the more endearing characteristics of your faith... hypocrisy and denial

#67

Perhaps you should go and read up WHY the Xinjiang province is in turmoil before commenting.

#70

dense, it's not hypocrisy nor denial to state that Muslims are using their religion to justify violence by screwing up the interpretation for their own wants and goals. every religion does that.

lol

and I thought u'd come up with something better... perhaps u SHOULD read more on the history of Xinjiang before asking me this question.

Despite your relentless effort (which to a certain extend, quite admirable) in holding on to your belief, your stand somehow seems so absurb and your arguement is getting weaker.

Again, if those extermists are screwing up the interpretation of Islam for their own wants and goal, why didn't sensible muslim, like yourself stand up against them and tell them to their face the true meaning of Islam? It's definitely more fruithful than arguing with us non-muslim here on the loving kindness of Islam. ;-)

>>>Not all Muslims are terrorists BUT all terrorists are Muslims !

Well Said.........

#72

What makes you think I'm not...?

No. 73 said ">>>Not all Muslims are terrorists BUT all terrorists are Muslims !
Well Said........."

It's one of those catchy phrases that is obviously untrue when people take the time to think about it.

With the exception of probably (maybe) Buddhism, all religions in centuries past are gulity of atrocities. 'might is right' 'only one religion', only 'one god', and to a certain extent many still are, whether it is passive or aggressive.
I think it is very unfair to say all terrorists are Muslim. Any educated person in modern history knows that is not so. Some terrorists recently are christian, terrorising each other ( ie nothern Ireland) some have been have been motivated by politics.

Whatever the subject/issue in this forum here is, there are a few extremist views here, and its not coming from Muslims.

By critising a religion, is not only counter-productive, but it also pulls out the rug from those of whom it is their way of life.
To undermine somebody's faith is very cruel and demoralising.

Change comes from within, and from what I see it really is a matter of extremists in any religion/organisation that cause harm to those who are peaceful within it. There are many devoted Muslims who publicly speak in the west about the more moderate stances.

I am sure there are a lot of our Islamic brothers and sisters here in fridae, who are NOT attacking other religions, who dont agree with the extremist views, just as most christians abhorr the violence carried out over the past few decades within their own 'christian' denominations.

Lets not attack another religion because of minorities amongst it, but show respect and support those within it for their speaking out bravely and for their promotion of fairness and peacefulness.

I really admire Aput for his input in this forum. Im am sure that he is in the majority of those in his faith.

76..... Wow..... So righteous......yr argument is flawless isn't it? While u sitting on the fence here, personally, I do not think the real world behave as such......

Look around you... open your eyes....Look at all those Muslim dominated countries....

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After spending almost an hour reading all the debates and commence, I think there is something missing here. There are 'evil' people everywhere, in every religious. Everyone including myself has 'evil'. Im 'evil' and if I want to impose something onto another, what can I do? Find the easiest mean, naturally. Among the 3 largest religious studies; Buddhism, Christianity and Muslim, only Buddhism prevails peace and loving to all including believers of other religions. Whilst Christianity and Muslim believe only in 1 god and love of their "brothers and sisters and families" of the same believe. Such believes are extreme powerful tools for misinterruptation and manipulation. Even Christianity preaches love and ofterring themselves to the enemies so as to win their enemies' hearts. So, back to my beginning, if my 'evil-selfish' wants to dominate another by religion which is my best choice? The answer is obviously the one that is mostly easily abused. Some of the "doctrines" are developed at time and places of far era which can easily be abuse in present days that created problems then and todays. We highly intelligent mammal should be wiser today to rationalize what is correct, if we wants peace and love regardless of race, languages, religions or sexual orientation.

After all the arguments, we here should still love one another because we are all ajs. It’s a statement of good a intention but some can interpret as discriminating ourselves from straights and others advocate we are peace loving people and to gain social acceptance.

The 377A is the same. Its better remain than not wheather its to make people who are against ajs happier or its better to remain intact so that law makers can motivate at their pleasures. Even the "top" people (our god) argue its for the good of majorities (people against ajs) and they do not enforce (for the aj victims) but the "bottom" people (the terrorists) abuse it. Authorities, laws and doctrines are abused. Opportunities are there and we intellectuals are good in capitalizing such opportunities for personal reasons. Hahaha, even when the "opportunities" are not there, people can still invent other means. China has no laws against ajs but ajs are abused. We, human are such "intelligient kind". So, who is to blame? I rest my case.

Sorry, if I unintentionally offend anybody here. There are many arguments and I do not intend to trigger another. Just my personal thoughts.

#79

no offence but what is your point?

1.There are doctorines and teaching in religions that are easily misinterpret and abuse by followers, particularly like Islamic.

2.Men are capable of using it as a tool to manipulate others, in name of God......

Brothers and sisters, be wise and not fallen into the traps of such men.

It's better being the left winged liberal atheist basterds like us the Dutch. It's much more humane and civilized....

Better being without religion altogether.

Descendents of Abraham, what more shall I say about you?

Abraham, when you are in paradise right now seeing all these killings and torture, what do you have to say on the Day of Judgement?

I have not read ALL the comments but it is true to say that religions in their origin ,or in interpretations of their origin ,can be horrific. Stoning, hanging, turning to salt ..whatever. ! Only Budhism ( and I know little about it ) seems less eager to provide dire punishments. Colonial governments had ghastly dehumanising laws for their subjects ( many held over from their own countries' archaic laws !} These freed colonies use those ancient Christian inspired laws left behind ( e.g Singapore's and many other former colonys' sodomy laws )as well as thinking of new controlling ones. Argue against the people who want to treat others horribly in the name of religion( priests,rabbis ,mullahs of a certain type ,often sick themselves ) and in the interest of societal control and focus instead on the parts of religion which advocate respect and love for people. Don't just damn Islam out of hand...learn about its history and use that against those ignorant whippers and male chauvinists.

separation of church and state ...

We must understand the outcome of the legal product. Just imagine, there could be anyone just because of people's representatives to the exclusion of popular education levels that could affect his mindset. So this is the result.
And we are also a little better over the rejection of the legal product. At least they had acted on his conscience

Aput seems to be the only person here who has the intelligence and wisdom to realise that there is:

1. Religion
2. People's interpretation of various religious texts.

The two things are very different. Most comments here show a superficial bigotry that is absolultely NO better than the bigotry shown by similarly unthinking attitudes towards homosexuality.

Frankly, this constant selective stream showcasing homophobia in the Islamic world is a little disheartening. Although it is a good source of debate, somehow we forget that there are still other cultures in this present time practising homophobia. To the point of denying it's existence. End result we have gay men trapped for life in loveless marriages and extra martial affair/one nighters with other men. For all that value the sanctity of civility and modernity that is more than a slap to one's face.

While it is nowhere near the violence as purported by some as being the Islamic way, it's as good as the death sentence in reality. In conclusion there will never be any gay Muslims around as they are tortured, murdered, brainwashed or at least being at risk by one or all of those acts.

Before one comment on religion, it is better to be learned and read wide and far. It is not hip to criticise another religion.

jammyboi is a brainless parrot. He is "AH Q", the brainless main character from "The Story Of Ah Q" by Lushun.

#51 and #52 are just copied from an internet site titled "Prophet of Doom". This website extracts only the strong quotes but not mention the "but" quotations. The purpose of this website is to spread hate.

What difference is jammyboi from the misguided people around the world ? What is the difference him and the terrorist ??

By allowing #51 and #52 to be posted, the moderator at Fridae had allowed hate to spread.

Fridae is just a site to spread hate towards religions. Fridae is such a hypocrite.

Fridae is playing with fire.