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4 May 2010

Thoughts on why gay men bareback

Can we talk about "barebacking"? You know, unprotected anal sex between men. Sex without a condom. "Raw" sex. Or, if you prefer the almost comically clinical language of early safer sex education, sex during which "bodily fluids" may be "exchanged."

"The lonely I ecstatically dissolving into the we ... It's the common
denominator of every form of bliss -- romantic, sexual, political,
religious, mystical. Everyone wants and welcomes this blissful merger."
- Irvin D. Yalom, Love's Executioner 

We all know how risky barebacking is, and we all know it goes on all the time. You might think that by now, thirty years into this horrible epidemic, barebacking would be a thing of the past. But it isn't. Far from disappearing, I'd bet that despite valiant efforts at HIV prevention, barebacking is on the rise. If I'm right about that, then we have to put aside any discomfort the topic may cause and try to understand why guys bareback.

A few clarifications before we start. First, I know gay men aren't the only ones who bareback. Straight people bareback all the time, of course, but unlike us, they don't make up titillating names for it. They just call it "having sex." Second, I don't want anyone to think I'm here to pass some kind of moral judgment on barebacking because, frankly, I'm in no position to do so. Finally, let me clarify what I'm not talking about here. I'm not talking about guys who bareback because they believe, rightly or wrongly, that they are not putting themselves at risk for HIV in a given sexual encounter. I'm speaking only about men who voluntarily assume the risk of transmission by barebacking.

With those preliminaries out of the way, I thought I'd look at a few of the possible explanations for why gay men might choose to bareback, even when they know the risks. I'd then like to offer my own view of what motivates barebacking. That's a lot of ground to cover, so I apologize in advance for the length of this post.

Let's start with the most obvious explanation for barebacking. Sex without a condom just feels better. Anyone who's ever fucked (or been fucked) without a condom knows just how much sensation is lost when you suit up. This loss of sensation can do more than just diminish sexual pleasure. Many guys can't reach orgasm if they're wearing a condom. Worse yet, many can't stay hard wearing one, so using protection may create or feed performance anxiety.

Another explanation I've heard is that gay men bareback out of a need for transgression, from a desire to flout societal norms and rules. Historically, gay men were seen as sexual outlaws, and part of our identity revolved around our outsider status, a status that even conferred a certain "cool." Today, with gay marriage making its halting march to legality and gay couples adopting children, being gay may seem kind of ordinary, and some men may need to find ways to hang on to our old outlaw status. (This might explain, for example, why some gay men continue to seek out sex in parks and restrooms, even though such furtive public coupling is no longer necessary when the Internet offers us sites like adam4adam and dudesnude.) And if transgression is what guys are after, what could be more transgressive than violating the first commandment of safer sex education by refusing to use a condom?

Maybe gay men bareback out of a sense of fatalism or exhaustion. Perhaps they feel it's more or less inevitable they'll eventually become infected, so they might as well just get it over with. Some men may find the effort of trying to stay HIV-negative too stressful. They may bareback so that they can stop worrying about the possibility of contracting HIV. These men may experience seroconversion as a kind of relief. Others may simply be suffering from "condom fatigue" after decades of having to practice safer sex.

I don't doubt the validity of these explanations, but I think the answer must lie deeper within the psyche. The emotional need that drives men to bareback must be so powerful that they will literally risk their lives to satisfy it. If you ask me, barebacking is an attempt to escape from the awful sense of isolation that we all experience as human beings. That isolation is perhaps an inevitable consequence of our separate existence as individuals. But it's particularly acute for us gay men, who have grown up in a society hostile to our identity. Having spent so much of our lives on the outside, alienated from members of the majority (straight) culture, we gay men have an intense need to feel truly connected to others like ourselves.

To me, the urge that I think motivates barebacking is perfectly understandable. It is, after all, just a deeply felt desire for the most profound form of intimacy, a desire that goes beyond merely wanting to be close to someone else and crosses over into a need for union -- for the "blissful merger" that Irvin Yalom describes. Barebacking can be seen as the ultimate attempt to remove all barriers between ourselves and our partners, to literally become one. It's an effort to escape the loneliness that haunts our separate existences, and to be freed, if only momentarily, from the solitary confinement of our individuality. Men who bareback may be seeking what James I. Martin calls "transcendent sexual experiences." (Martin, 9 Sexualities 214-235 (2006).) That is, sexual experience in which they feel a dissolution of their separate selves and a fusion with the object of their desire.

If what barebackers are looking for is merger, then it's easier to see why they wouldn't want to use a condom. In the search for merger, a condom is not only a physical barrier but an emotional and psychological one. Just as it prevents transmission of pathogens, it also stands in the way of what we all crave -- that sense of union. Using a condom conveys a message of rejection and mistrust. It tells our partners that we are not willing to share ourselves completely. The failure to use a condom is obviously problematic, but that is because of the existence of HIV, not because of the existence of the desire for transcendence and merger. Perhaps rather than seeing the desire itself as a problem, we should understand it as normal. If we were to do so, perhaps we could explore ways to fulfill this desire that don't involve risky sex. 

I don't know whether learning the motivations of men who choose to bareback will help us design better HIV prevention programs. I am fairly sure, though, that if we don't identify what makes men have unprotected sex and at least try to understand and address their underlying emotional needs, we are unlikely to develop effective strategies for curbing the practice. And I am firmly convinced that no understanding is possible so long as we refuse to discuss the topic openly. I'd therefore urge us to listen without judgment to men who bareback. Let's hear their reasons for engaging in unprotected anal sex. Then let's see if we can't acknowledge their needs as legitimate and help them find ways of satisfying them without barebacking. 

The language of the discussion I propose will have to be brutally frank, open, and I dare say, raw. This is an instance in which nothing less than complete honesty will do. But for those of us concerned with stopping the spread of HIV, this is a discussion we need to have, and have soon. 

(Acknowledgement: I am indebted to UCSF researcher Alberto Curotto for sharing with me a wealth of background material for this post and for giving an amateur the benefit of his professional experience in the field of behavioral research.)

The article was first published on TheBody.com and is republished with permission from the author, John who writes a HIV/AIDS blog on the website. He is 49 years old, a lawyer by profession and was diagnosed as HIV positive in 2004. He lives in San Francisco, California.

We invite readers to share why you engage in unprotected anal sex (if you do). 

Reader's Comments

1. 2010-05-04 20:10  
Indeed some of the motivation you mentioned are applicable for some ...it could also be sometimes the little head down there overruled the bigger head up there ....ie the mind cant think rationally when both men are so aroused ?

There is also this thinking or perception of " what are the chances " ? or " How can I be so unlucky " ? among some PLUs ...but when you are so hot and aroused ...even if you are presented with the statistics and probability ...I think some's judgement might be clouded ...

How about some who are unaware of the mode of transmission ....or at least not ALL the facts or just know part of it ...eg. some believe as long as the guy ejaculated outside it will be okay. (cum on ...we are not trying to prevent pregnancy ...are we ...) ....thus proper education is necessary ...those in doubt should check the website of NGO like PT Foundation or call them up to enquire ..and not just live in a world of part-myth part facts ...
2. 2010-05-04 20:22  
Put simply, the reason men bareback is the very first point you raised. It feels better without a condom. With all due respect, the rest is pure conjecture.
3. 2010-05-04 20:46  
It's kind of sad that there needs to be 4 paragraphs of disclaimer before the topic even begun, but it probably is necessary as I have seen many who would criticize the discussion itself like the whole topic was taboo.

I am however quite interested in the idea of having alternate ways to merge. I'm not convinced that there is a substitute for the desire to have sex (or, to be more precise, the desire that makes us want to have sex), but would loved to be proved wrong.
4. 2010-05-04 22:02  
face it. barebacking is dangerous but condoms may not be readily available when the need arises. I think if men wanna do it, there's nothing stopping them. Sad.

The same applies to open relationships. If guys wanna do it, there's nothing going to stop them, no matter the consequences, no matter the reasons.
5. 2010-05-04 22:10  
Dobson73 said it all...it is about how it feels plain and simple...maybe for some it is all the other "stuff" but the reality is that gay men weigh the risks with who they are having sex and decide if the risk is worth the pleasure...hence sometimes they do sometimes they don't use a condom. I once saw an ad for a guy who wanted only bareback sex and lots of it and said he was HIV-. I chatted with him to ask "why?" if he was HIV-. He responded that he loved the feeling so much that he was willing to take the risk, however, he made it clear that he was HIV- as a sort of "condom" to tell guys he wasn't interested in being infected. That goes to pure sexual pleasure and animal instinct and I suspect it is the same for most every gay guy...myself included. Sex is a drug.
6. 2010-05-04 22:47  
i have had to contend with a kiss and a wank for so long now because i'd rather not do it without a condom.

Somehow, and as soon I smell the condom (I have a very sensitive nose ) I loose erection and the desired conclusion.

When some adept with slipping the condom before my nose catch it, somehow flaccidity sets in and unless am high on my partners male hormones, I can't reach the happy conclusion.

It might be all psychological but I have had the good fortune of living my first 20 years prior to the HIV's onslaught.

Is it easier for the guys who started to have sex since the epidemic started?? !!
7. 2010-05-04 23:06  
could the solution be any more simple- we need to save those latex trees. it is all about caring for the environment.

i am kidding.
8. 2010-05-04 23:20  
Good article John.

You are correct that the taboo, head in the sand mentality, hurts rather than hinders. The simplistic message of always wear a condom is disrespectful to gay men's intellects. From my observations, you won't stop bareback sex. Bareback sex isn't necessarily dangerous either with regard to HIV transmission. Risk is complicated in any area. In human sexuality its VERY complicated. Perhaps gay men need better (and truthful) education on sex and STIs and the concepts of risk management as it applies to such.

I don't see any simple answers that fit in with the Keep It Simple Stupid communications strategy. The only honest answers recognise its a complex space and respond accordingly.

Life and living is a risk and someone once said "Life! You'll never get out of it alive." We all have different risk appetites and we all play HIV roulette with different probabilities. Let's provide people with the best (and ongoing) knowledge and skills we can and get out of their faces.

The secret I believe, is good sexual risk management. It's not perfect and it's very hard work but the question I have is ... will it give us better public health outcomes than the simplistic binary view we promote today?
9. 2010-05-04 23:37  
:-) and for something more practical; how about educating gay men more on practices such as FROTTAGE. Skin to skin intimacy and yet a VERY low STI risk transmission profile. Many gay guys really do need to wake up and smell the coffee; realising that FUCKING is not the be all and end all of sex.
10. 2010-05-04 23:48  
Are we looking at the needs or wants here?
I think people sometime are not willing to believe the risk and might just ignore what lies ahead for such course of action.
11. 2010-05-04 23:58  
eurboin hit the nail on the head when it comes to education. Bareback sex will always exist and under some circumstances is very safe (monogamous relationship). The problem is that education has not evolved. It is like the abstinence only argument...don't teach anything but abstinence so kids won't have sex. It doesn't work and neither does "condoms only" education. The gay community needs to update sex education so that gay men have information and can make their own informed decisions.
12. 2010-05-05 00:08  
1. sex = desire = natural = wild = bareback
2. condom = manufactured = planning = obstructive = boring

However, being homo sapiens with at least half a brain, I'd rather go for option 2.

Barebacking = STDs = natural selection = tough fact of life

:)
Comment #13 was deleted by its author on 2010-05-05 00:10
14. 2010-05-05 00:22  
Where does free will come into this debate, We all have a right to choose ..... As long as we are being honest with our partner(s) about all the risk involved, not just HIV but everything else (STI's) then i believe everyone should be allowed to make there own informed decision ..... INFORMED ..... being the key here, education is important but you must give the individual the right to choose
15. 2010-05-05 01:04  
I think we all need to help ourselves!! we are in the gay world
and we shouldnt be looked down by the straight people and being describiated by them. To some normal people they just see gay people
as the icon of HIV- , why?

coz we dont practive safer sex, and why cant we prove to them we are same as them can still live happily with sex with love?!

although i know it must feel much better and intimate if there is no that barrier between 2 men fucking.. :P
WE DO NEED TO CONTROL ABOUT THE DESIRE OF BAREBACKING !!
16. 2010-05-05 01:18  
I found this topic quite interesting for me.I feel the deep..coz am the one of them...Sex without a condom just feels better. Anyone who's ever fucked (or been fucked) without a condom knows just how much sensation than with condom.. . Certainly Most of man if even barebacking before will never forget the high satisfaction..after all the symptom can be can't reach orgasm if they're wearing a condom. Worse yet, many can't stay hard wearing one, so using protection may create or feed performance anxiety..

Well, sorry if I sound bitter ..Frankly speak not encourage people barebacking.Remamber.Free sex brings diseases..bareback with monogamy relationship still a hope..
17. 2010-05-05 01:34  
Most of professional man i met..ambbasador,doctor,pilot ect..educated knowledge..some not insist in safe sex..whatever how much of gay man will insist?10%? maybe it's time to think with our brain not with our *** between our legs.
18. 2010-05-05 01:38  
if one doesn't sleep around, there is no problem with barebacking.
19. 2010-05-05 02:18  
talking about Barebacking. Can someone explain to me how Fridae members are part of Barebacking Tribe and at the same time say they only have "safe sex". Which part they do not understand, the barebacking or the safe sex?
20. 2010-05-05 02:19  
My contribution to this discussion is simple

Having worked for HIV education and HIV support services in some of the most AIDS ravaged parts of the world....

Even if you have to take a viagra with it..wear a condom........

It's still not even ABSOLUTELY SAFE sex....but at least its a lot SAFER

XXX

Gavin
21. 2010-05-05 02:24  
A well-written article with the array of comments one would expect from a diverse community of people. The author does not attempt to identify The Variable; rather he recognizes that multiple variables are at play, representing the diverse nature of people, sexual practices, and intellectual, physical and emotional drivers of behavior. Yet, the methods currently used to address the risks of barebacking are simplistic at best and damaging at worst, failing to address the the complex mix of reasons that arise amongst gay men.

To those that cite barebacking over condon use as simply a matter of "it feels better so let's do it," I offer a different perspective. Having barebacked in both directions, mostly within committed relationships and once outside, I am certain my practices have been driven much more by the emotional variables of bonding and intimacy than the 'better sensation' model. Am I ignorant of STDs and the risk vectors? Am I thinking with my male parts? For sure, no. I merely sought to share as much intimacy as possible with my partners. And I believe the author hit on something that is incredibly important in this discussion - the desire to both demonstrate and build trust between people in a culture where 'distrust' is the safe-sex message and selfish, sensation-driven behaviour is a norm.

Yes, we are all sexual creatures, but we are all emotional beings as well; emotional needs are likely as much a driver for bareback sex as the physical pleasure that added sensation can bring. It's about time we, as a community of individuals, learn to examine and talk about our sexual practices so we can understand our own drivers, as well as help drive development of STD prevention programs that address the realities of sexual practices in our diverse gay community.
22. 2010-05-05 02:57  
I think many men do barebacking to keep the relationship as 'monogamous' as possible!
23. 2010-05-05 03:18  
If you want or need some inspiration to play safely, please check out the MUSIC VIDEO embedded in my Fridae.com profile, "THE POWER TO BE STRONG."
24. 2010-05-05 04:47  
I think a bigger problem are guys that know they are positive and don't tell their randoom hookups they are poz.

The best sex I've ever had was in a relationship where we both loved one another and we were monogamous.

If I were a bottom which I am not, I wouldn't let any random hookup enter me without a condom. Being a total top, with silicone lube which repels body fluids and most poz guys being undetectable due to good meds the chances are about 1 in 100,000.

I think the stigma has also been lessened by the fact that it has become a more manageable disease instead of a death sentence.

Truth is I am Negative and at almost 50 years old I'm more concerned with cancer and other diseases. I am also a strong proponent of NOT telling other people what to do. Unsolicited preaching is not cool.
25. 2010-05-05 05:38  
“Barebacking can be seen as the ultimate attempt to remove all barriers between ourselves and our partners, to literally become one. It's an effort to escape the loneliness that haunts our separate existences, and to be freed, if only momentarily, from the solitary confinement of our individuality.”

Beautifully said. My romantic side loves this.

My analytic side is a bit cold:

There is nothing that can free us from being captives of our desires. A momentary fulfillment of one opens up an unfulfilled want for another. The story of Adam and Eve is telling even for the non-Christian or the non-religious. Presumably they had everything a human could ever dream of but that was not enough. They desired more, whatever that entailed and at whatever cost.

Expressions of human longing are often eloquent and poetic, tugging at heart strings, but the premise is the same. So the search and the drama continue, throughout these ages.
Comment edited on 2010-05-05 06:50:59
26. 2010-05-05 05:41  
The truth is that people use words like "in the mood" to excuse thier choice, they balance the risk in the hope they won't get infected. It is not difficult to put a condom in a wallet before a night out, I always did and if I were single would certianly do again.

Unfortunatly drink and drugs have a habit of clouding peoples judgement but yet again if you are drinking or drugging you do so as a choice just as I hope one would not get behind the wheel of car and endanger thier life, they should have sense enough to take a condom with them.

When I decide to date someone for a long term period I always make a point for both of us to get a check for STD's and I still use a condom. I would not stop using a condom until after a long period of dating of at least six months.

27. 2010-05-05 06:49  
A good article and very valid points raised.

As a total top, I nearly always leave the decision on condom use to my current prospective partner, but it's always after discussion. If I perceive a considerable risk, I will wear one anyway. However, for reasons mentioned in the article, I do prefer bareback. As a guy who was 33 when HIV arrived on the scene, I guess I was just heavily into barebacking before there was any real life risk associated with it. However, I should also mention that I never contracted any other STI, either.

What amazes me, however, is the great number of very young - sub-20 - guys who are totally into barebacking. Some have told me "no way will I have a condom in me". What is motivating these "boys"?

Interesting comment above about silicon lube. I use it too. It may help but there is also the question in my mind about why there can't be a lube with anti-viral medication included? There has been spermicidal med available for the straight world for many, many years.... and the HIV virus is supposed to be pretty fragile.
28. 2010-05-05 07:06  
Great article that seem to spur other great short 'articles' of replies.
I just want to say something. It's not always about just protecting yourself, I'm afraid of actually accidentally infecting my lover,(be it a past, present or future). If you love someone you would not want to harm them. Yes you might be -ve, but who says those test are 100% and who says human/man won't err.
29. 2010-05-05 08:40  
its simple. no psycho-babble necessary either. yes if simply feels wonderful. but more important, i want to feel my lover unload inside me. i want to know i pleasured him completely, i want him there, i want his warmth, and i want him with me for the rest of the day.

thats it. simple
30. 2010-05-05 09:10  
Les_GWM@28: You asked "why there can't be a lube with anti-viral medication included?"

Is there even research done on it? I can handle the truth.

An imaginary conversation (it's a joke, so don't sue me):

Genius: Hey, I just found a cheap organic stain that can be used in a lube to kill the HIV virus.

Response by:

1. Gay-hater: You idiot! Let them suffer.

2. Extremist theologian: Gays are sinners. Why save them when they don't bother saving themselves?

3. Research scientist: My research funds could dry up and I won't have a job.

4. Charity: We rely on donations to keep us going. Tragedies are our livelihood.

5. Pharmaceutical company: How do you expect us to maintain a positive outlook on our future earnings if this thing is going to wipe out new infections and keep everyone negative? Our shareholders are not going to be amused.

6. Wall Street firm: We make money when our clients make money. The sale of a cure is not as profitable as sale of drugs that never really cure and may cause side effects that require even more drugs, which translate into even more money.

7. Retirement fund: We made a major investment in the drug companies that develop HIV medications because we expect the number of HIV cases in China to rise. Why do you want to kill the virus when it benefits indirectly the elderly?

8. Funeral parlor: Death is our business. For us, it is never too soon.
Comment edited on 2010-05-05 10:43:43
31. 2010-05-05 09:11  
I dun think discomforts only occur to the 'givers'. 'Receivers' simply do not feel so brilliant about it either. Well.. maybe cuz I'm just too sensitive.. Pisces are.
32. 2010-05-05 09:46  
I feel risk-takers will always responsible for what they do. It'll always remain an unsolved quote when we have a discussion for this. Nobody's wrong, nobody's right. When desire's arouse during sex, there's no more logical takes place. Gay partners may do sex or barebacking without a condom because they feel it's safer with their own partner, but once again, we were educated that condom can only reduce the possibility of HIV instead of bringing the percentage to zero. Gay men are not idiot. We can measure whether it's worth it to take the risk with the guy we're having sex. However I feel this life's short, so play with dare, play with responsibility. We all need a balance...
33. 2010-05-05 10:46  
All a lot of blah blah blah.....at the end of the day, it just feels better! Let's face it, when all is said and done, wearing condoms are like bathing with socks on......

As to the risk......yes, it is risky. However, whether to bare-back or 'be safe', is still a decision to be taken amongst two people, especially when they are in a relationship. At the opposite end though, I would contend that anyone who has multiple sex partners and often, would be prudent to, as you called it, 'suit-up'. But hey, that's just my opinion.

Generally we have been told to always 'be safe' with regards to HIV/AIDS; reason being that there are many out there who are positive, but do not declare.

So, you make up your own mind. After all we are all rational thinking human beings. Or are we?
34. 2010-05-05 11:01  
I suppose Russian roulette could be fun and interesting too, but I'd rather not try it. Curious that some think that sex is all about intercourse. Personally I think intercourse is highly over-rated. A good imagination and creativity can bring great pleasure and satisfaction without the threat of ending up dead. F**king without a condom? Russian roulette? Great fun, go for it!















35. 2010-05-05 11:09  
Thanks for this insightful article. It is very relevant these days since there is so much judgment AGAINST people who choose NOT to use condoms. This is a very personal matter and should be looked at as a personal choice, rather than a downfall or tragic lifestyle. SO MUCH emphasis is placed on safe-sex these days that most people judge others harshly when they don't want to use condoms. First and foremost, people should be aware of what they are doing. If we have casual sex without condoms, we are at greater risk, for sure. But, there are people we can be TRULY intimate with that are safe partners for us. It is up to us to make decisions about that based on our own instincts and information we receive. The current generation of young gay people have been raised being brainwashed that sex with condoms is the only acceptable way to enjoy sex. Older gay people came from an age where HIV didn't exist, so there is a naturally-occurring conflict in thinking. Intimacy should be more of the focal point of relationships, whatever that entails.
36. 2010-05-05 11:27  
Ya, can't agree more..... This is often the situation when man thinks with the dick and screws with the brain.
37. 2010-05-05 11:32  
I applaud fridae for choosing to discuss this subject openly. Although I have always been a practitioner /advocate of safe sex, I often wonder the psyche of gay men who are into bareback (bb) sex.

My observation concludes that it boils down to better pleasure, and there are substantial men out there willing to take that kind of risk.

I also observes that as HIV becomes more manageable, bb has risen over the years. And in some countries (Aussie, UK) where HIV treatment is free or cheap, coupled with prevalent use of chem, bb rate is high.

So, to takle the rise of HIV infection within gay community, we need to take a frank look at bareback sex and the pysche of this gay men before any effective HIV prevention campaign can work.
38. 2010-05-05 11:43  
sex means sexy
bareback is sexy
39. 2010-05-05 12:18  
It's all very well to argue about the ins and outs (sorry for the pun) of condoms or no condoms. But at the end of the day the issue is very simple:

Wearing a condom substantially reduces the risk of HIV infection like nothing else does (except no sex at all of course, but who wants that?)

So it's very important to keep getting the message out there, especially to youngsters who may not be aware of the risks of HIV infection, who are very very horny and experimenting with their sexuality, and who live in countries where there is no adequate treatment or support for those with HIV:

If you're going to have anal sex, wear a condom, or insist that your guy does. At all times.
Comment edited on 2010-05-05 12:22:03
40. 2010-05-05 12:57  
I admire people who live their own lives the way they want without apologies as long as they don't impose their will upon me and as long as they expect no sympathy / favors from me regardless of whatever results from their decisions. As I see it, they've earned the right to enjoy (deal with) all the rewards resulting from their decisions without any interference from me. Some want to enjoy (and enjoy they do) all the risky sexual situations they come upon. If HIV results from that, then so be it. They've lived their lives on their own terms, and now they are free to continue their decision making without interference from me. I'm totally cool with that as long as (as I've stated) they do not impose their will upon me, and as long as they expect no favors from me. For the sake of my own happiness (pleasure in living), there are many "pleasures" I choose to decline and accept. For me, I'll pass on alligator wrestling and charming cobras. The choices are mine. I am the driver of my own life. So be it.

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42. 2010-05-05 13:36  
no seriously who in the world would naively think that those who doesn't sleep around and engages in bareback would be any safer from those who have safe sex?
how 100% sure you are that your partner doesn't sleep around?
even if has done an HIV test, it doesn't necessarily mean that he is any safer.
there are other form of sexual viruses out there. even if he's HIV negative.
43. 2010-05-05 14:43  
As the author of the original post that fridae has so graciously reprinted here, I want to thank everyone on this site for their thoughtful comments on my article. My intent here is really to start a discussion about a topic that has been taboo for far too long. We need to speak openly about gay men's actual sexual practices, and I think we need to understand what moves gay men to do what they do. I hope all of you will continue this discussion, both here on-line and at home with your friends and partners.

@ rppdlifter: Just wanted you to know that research is going on into rectal microbicides that (we hope) will kill HIV. For more information go to www.rectalmicrobicides.org.

Thanks again for commenting. Best regards to all of you.

FogCityJohn

P.S. If interested, you can follow me on TheBody.com at:
http://www.thebody.com/content/art54740.html
Comment #44 was deleted by its author on 2010-05-05 20:35
45. 2010-05-05 16:34  
Holy Moses, wow an actual article about sex here instead of religious stuff and preachy politics

Cool sexy pics too

What about that new bisexual character on Gossip Girl? He's so cute.. finally we get a new spokesmodel:)
46. 2010-05-05 16:44  
its not just gay men that bareback, but all men in general cuz they still haven't invented a condom yet that feels seamless

gosh, lots of chicks still getting pregnant out there
47. 2010-05-05 19:27  
What I find more intriguing, if not alarming is the fact that a majority of comments focuses on the fact that condoms are a barrier to achieving sexual fulfillment and somehow, without it, sex is just that much more enjoyable which I think is total bollocks.
I for one can't relax enough to enjoy sex if in the back of my mind I know that I'm playing russian roulette. Being HIV- does not mean you won't contract STDs either and using a condom is the only real protection for that.

Maybe the real focus is to find ways to "sexify" the use of condoms. For those that find it difficult when using it during sex, perhaps try practise using it when you engage in your solo activities.
You may surprise yourself!


48. 2010-05-05 19:45  
i live in france where we, um, "celebrate" our sexuality and physicality a lot more freely than in asia ... sex here is like shaking hands... although i've shaken lots and lots of hands, i've never had an STD because every hookup is a 3some with me, him and mr condom ... it's so ingrained that, no matter how high or how crazy with lust i am and no matter how much the guy insists that he is HIV-, mr condom is always part of the party ... perhaps it is because of our promiscuity that we are far more cautious and untrusting.

in contrast, my only close HIV+ friend is a guy whose religious beliefs and shame prevented him from playing around like the rest of us, waited years (no sex at all!) for mr right to appear, trusted him completely, and after two years of wedded bliss, got infected by mr right ... it seems that trust is not a very good prophylaxis.
49. 2010-05-05 20:26  
I am trying to understand the reasons guys choose to bareback knowing full well the risks involved. I do not belong to that category and probably never will. I choose to be responsible, clean and disease free. I wonder if the reality of death and dying can only stop them from barebacking. It's sad that some people would rather die than use a condom.
50. 2010-05-05 21:19  
Amazing how certain topics wake people up. And in these cases you are bound to hear a fair load of crap mixed with sensible opinions, profound philosophies, hate by bible(s) nuts but sometimes not much plain and simple truth.
Yes, it is true that using s condom diminishes the sensations. Yes, after the foreplay has taken things to a wonderful and peak that does not allow for any further delay, stopping and searching for the bloody thing that disappeared under the bed or whatever, trying to rip the thing open with fingers covered in the most effective lube, trying to unroll the plastic the wrong way, this all well, is a pain.
And the beauty of finally exploding inside your lover in a flash of warm sperm or, if you are bottom, receiving it, is paradise. But there is HIV and the bare truth is: forget it. Until a cure found.
51. 2010-05-05 21:20  
Amazing how certain topics wake people up. And in these cases you are bound to hear a fair load of crap mixed with sensible opinions, profound philosophies, hate by bible(s) nuts but sometimes not much plain and simple truth.
Yes, it is true that using s condom diminishes the sensations. Yes, after the foreplay has taken things to a wonderful and peak that does not allow for any further delay, stopping and searching for the bloody thing that disappeared under the bed or whatever, trying to rip the thing open with fingers covered in the most effective lube, trying to unroll the plastic the wrong way, this all well, is a pain.
And the beauty of finally exploding inside your lover in a flash of warm sperm or, if you are bottom, receiving it, is paradise. But there is HIV and the bare truth is: forget it. Until a cure found.
52. 2010-05-05 21:45  
Most know that BB is a risk for the fun overload for both party, no forcing.

I hope when u get a disease, curable or not. Don't complain u being discriminated by anybody, upset, depressed, suicidal thought, self blaming, etc.

It is the risk u know, so "bear" with it, no fuss.

Fun is joy

Fun + Fool --> joyfool
53. 2010-05-05 21:54  
OMG...

Irvin D. Yalom, this writer is one of my favorite writer, and see his name and his writing quoted on recommended article of fridae , very exciting!

I have read his two novels: “The Schopenhauer Cure” and “When Nietzsche Wept”, of course all in Chinese edition. It’s too difficult read his novel in English…

Anyway, I feel so excited to reply something after I see Dr. Yalom’s name showing here!!! Ha~! nice…

Bareback? Still not finishing this long essay, make a comment next time. But after all, take every responsibility after every decision; it’s the principle for me.
54. 2010-05-05 22:08  
Well, the simple reason why some gay men like bareback is they are not seeing what their future look like and they are not really being positive of living a good gay life. Therefore, it is not surprise to see them doing something risky to bring their life in danger, that is what I called it " slow-suicide in gay circle". This is part of the gay lifestyle that some people are living on.

If the short moment of pleasure is worth it to exchange with your life, then barebacking is just a very personal choice. There isn't way to judge this, it is the right for a person to decide if he want to destroy his life or also destroy other's life.
55. 2010-05-05 22:18  
good article, i never bareback, ever
and i asked my friend who always bareback with his bf, he said it was good but first thing on my mind is'didn't he scare of HIV?'

well i dunno much about how the infestion work but i was taught that barebacking between gaymen can give u HIV so I always do condom when i do with guys

this article show a different point of view and i found that it's true, having condom is like having a barrier between u and u partner, i agree with this

well, should i try once ? or not ? lol
56. 2010-05-05 23:32  
This article got its point and makes prefect sense. Straight couple "have sex" all the time and they don't get too much blamed. But again, the cheating rate is a lot lower in straight world right? (general speaking, please correct me if you have a sound or statistical prove)

Play safe, till a cure for HIV comes out. That is what I would suggest, unless you trust someone so much that you can have sex with him without a condom.
57. 2010-05-06 02:41  
As a man of 45 and still hiv- I feel that personal choice is not an option. If you want to f**k me, then you wear the condom. I don't care if you have just stepped out of the clinic with your results printed with an authorisation stamp. Nothing gives you the right to 'possibly' infect me with anything. And what would you say if you did pass something on..... SORRY !!!!!

Sorry is not worth it
58. 2010-05-06 11:40  
Why wouldn't a decent top shooter (especially if he's a "top only") be proactive enough to, at the very least (after all, condoms can't guarantee 100% protection 100% of the time), have plenty of condoms nearby before (BEFORE BEFORE) the passion play begins? The bottom guy (or gal) still has the option of saying, "No thank you. Put that away."

I'm not buying the idea that guys can't prepare themselves for whatever risks their favored activities are known to have and that they aren't in charge of their own decision making (except in cases of rape / abuse). I just don't understand the thrill anyone gets from playing stupid (especially now days), and I'm not buying the psychobabble.
59. 2010-05-06 12:44  
@ coffeemateplus: It's not psychobabble. Research has shown that gay men cite a need for transcendent sex as a reason for not wanting to use condoms. I understand that failure to use condoms is a problem in certain instances, but we need to talk about the perfectly natural desire for unprotected sex. Calling guys stupid and shaming them isn't going to do anything but push their behavior underground and beyond the reach of safer sex education.

Thanks for taking the time to read my post, though.

FCJ
60. 2010-05-06 18:58  
Thanks John & Fridae for this article. Local anti-HIV organisations like AFA & Fridae could review their strategy after appreciating the psychological theories mentioned in the article, namely: Transgression; Better Sensation; Fear Avoidance; and Equating Physical Intimacy to Emotional/Spiritual Intimacy. A few members had also offered insights into other explanations: impairment of judgement (alcohol or drugs); promiscuity; boring to plan safer sex ahead; no access to condoms; subconscious slow-suicide.

I'd add a few more psychological theories to the list: resistance habitus & stigma; sexual venue; negotiation skills; self-esteem; (lack of) role models; Effects of being HIV+ still unclear and may be luring.

Our (Singapore's) society should progress to reduce social stigma so that gays don't have to grow up in a challenging environment that forces & trains them to become rebellious. There are 2 basic steps here: 1st, we must succeed in repeal of 377A because it hinders all governmental efforts to engage with the MSM community directly and openly. 2nd, after homosexuality is no longer illegal, schools should deliver a Comprehensive Sexuality Education program that neither promotes nor criticises/hides about homosexuality.

To move a step further on the point being made about access to condoms, I think we should have gay saunas near the night clubs that provide condoms and lubricant. If we don't have such venues, the clubbers who want to have sex would naturally go to (in descending order of cost): hotels; taxi (home); toilets/parks. Condoms and lubricant may not be readily available in these places. It may be embarrassing for 2 men to walk into a 7-11 to buy these. I suggest also that all gay discos have a Condom and Lubricant vending machine to supply quality and fresh STD-prevention tools.

It takes 2 party to say Yes to barebacking. So as long as we have at least one party master the skills of negotiation, then we can reduce the odds of them barebacking. Similarly, as suggested by someone above, some gays may be subconsciously committing a slow suicide. They are pessimistic and/or have low self-esteem. These 2 areas could be improved on by holding more seminars and workshops for gays. Registrar of Societies should register a society that conducts self-improvement and counselling services to MSM (non-political in nature) so that there is a permanent space for such activities to be conducted.

To move a step further, such workshops can also introduce participants to role models: those gays who live a happy life even after their 40s and 50s, being HIV-. Good health is important to them. They hold good jobs, live a colourful life and age gracefully. It's not true that gays MUST become HIV+ one day, sooner or later.

Another point which I want to raise is that while we know that HIV is disastrous, few really understand its health, economic, professional and social implications. We need workshops to give facts about things like: how troublesome it is to take medicines 3 times a day, spend a few hundred dollars from your salary for medicine (or more) every month), what kind of opportunistic diseases hiv+ are at risk of and how it feels to have each of them, what things you cannot afford as a result of having to pay this for medicine, how difficult it is to find jobs, legal responsibilities of hiv+ wanting to have sex...........
By understanding these facts, it becomes clearer to people what's the implications and they can weigh the risk. Now, because it is so vague what these implications are, the unknown may make it luring for people to want to explore the risk (of becoming HIV+).
61. 2010-05-06 22:23  
If we would put it in a simple way to talk about barebacking......The only way of really enjoy barebacking without fear and risk is to be in a monogamous relationship, and both partners make sure they are clean.
62. 2010-05-06 22:37  
I wasn't really concerned about HIV until one of my buddies from China tested HIV positive in March. I have never taken an HIV test in my life until a couple months ago, and the anxiety leading up to the test was killing me, that somehow I could have caught the virus one way or another although I have always practiced safer sex for anal. I realized that the anxiety about HIV can be even more deadly than the virus itself. Anyway, to cut the story short, it was a huge relief to learn that I am negative, and I intend to stay that way. My friend became HIV+ from barebacking both ways because he didn't know any better about safer sex and he was not aware of HIV, perhaps because he is hearing-impaired (deaf and mute). This experience has a profound effect on me, and I can't emphasize the use of condoms enough to all my gay friends here. Love yourself, love your partner, and love the people who cares about you.
63. 2010-05-07 02:18  
jonfun:
Nope. It's worse if you think you can safely have unprotected sex just because you are in a monogamous relationship.

First, let's look at how HIV screening works. If you are tested HIV-negative today, it doesn't mean you cannot be HIV-positive, because there is a window period of up to 3 months (used to be 6 months) in which antibodies may be undetectable. Second, if your partner is a HIV+ gift-giver (intentionally wants to infect you), he can out-smart the common screenings by taking HIV medication regularly so that the common screening kits may not be able to tell that he is HIV+. Third, even if he is HIV- today, he may still become HIV+ and capable of infecting you by the following week if he sleeps around with someone tomorrow without letting you know. So there is no feasible way for you to ensure that your partner cannot infect you with HIV via unprotected sex by asking him to do regular screening. Regular screening is NOT a method to ensure safe unprotected sex.

Before a clinically proven antiviral lubricant for unprotected penetrative sex is available (it's still being tested), the only effective means of protecting yourself is to use condoms consistently and correctly.





64. 2010-05-07 02:20  
Fipkt: If you could practice consistently protected anal and oral sex such that semen of both you and your partners are always contained inside a condom, then you wouldn't be so worried.
65. 2010-05-07 11:03  
As usual, no one ever bothers to talk about the elephant in the room, depression.

Why? Because it is a mental health issue and we don't want to admit to anyone that we could possibly have a mental health issue since having a mental health issue means you are really icky. And yet as long as we continue to ignore this issue it will continue to be a serious co-factor in why we bareback.
66. 2010-05-07 14:13  
Well, if the answer for this barebacking issue is "whatever works for other people", then why are we having this discussion anyway? It's always about loss and benefits when you are talking about this kind of things.

You can throw out any question regarding anything about being gay, and the comments would always be "whatever works for works for other people".

Open relationship: "whatever works for works for other people".
Barebacking: "whatever works for works for other people."
Length of relationships: "whatever works for works for other people".
Gay marriage: "whatever works for works for other people".
67. 2010-05-07 19:15  
the truth is they are just dirty moles, they squander their health and abuse their sexuality in ways that lead them to ruin and then (in Australia and other liberal nations) expect the tax payer to subsidise their HIV treatments, they have no sence of respect or even duty to the health and well being of others they really do deserve to be titled by the squalid label as 'queers' this is why I withdrew my availablity and no longer engage in casual sex there are too many scummy queers out there trying to have unsafe sex with you, it's like a mine-field no decent gay man should lend his body to these scumbags and then now theres the new untreatable gonorrhea to deal with ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww (;-P gross
68. 2010-05-07 23:57  
Everyone looks at bareback sex as this "thing" and don't look at it as part of life experience. The reality...not opinion...is that everyone takes risks everyday...driving a car...smoking cigarettes...livining in a big city...walking alone after dark...flying on a plane...all varying degrees of risk to your life and health. Bareback sex is no different. The circumstances dicate how much risk a person is willing to take. Some love to live on the edge and take more risk then others...skydiving...totally unnecessary...but people do it for the thrill. That is the problem with condom education now. Talk about EVERYTHING...including the reality of having bareback sex. It is about information so everyone can decide how much risk is ok for them. I just get angry about constantly hearing...no no no...bad bad bad...that is just bad education when the reality of bareback sex exists..a lot.
69. 2010-05-08 12:24  
@ SFPhoenix: I didn't talk about things like depression in this post because I see it as a "mediator" rather than a "motivator" in unprotected sex. Basically, I think the desire for unprotected sex is a perfectly natural one, and I don't view the desire itself as a problem. HIV is the problem. Depression and other mental health issues enter the picture when men are making the choice of whether to protect themselves or not in a given sexual encounter. Men with depression or low self-esteem may feel their lives aren't worth protecting. But that's really a topic for another post. If you follow my blog at TheBody.com, you may well find one devoted to that topic soon.

@ jonfun: I have to say I don't like your choice of language. Saying the people without HIV are "clean" suggests that those of us with HIV are "unclean." We're not dirty. We have an illness. Your language is stigmatizing.

@ huangagain: Couldn't agree more. Let's talk about it all . . . including unprotected sex.

FogCityJohn
70. 2010-05-09 02:43  
Bareback sex is passionate. Safe sex, on a contrary feels like... hmmm... safe sex (it sucks, to be honest). I have one guy ONLY to have unprotected sex with, we are on same wavelength and share Negative status, both have too much to loose $$$$$-wise and we are too well informed and educated about HIV and such -it is the best motivation to keep it this way- 100% raw with ultimately 0.1% of risk (that is safer that having protected sex, statistically). The ones who will say it isn't possible I will answer- choose your partner wisely. End of.

P.S. I mean partner. Not partners. It makes all the difference.
Comment edited on 2010-05-09 02:44:32
71. 2010-05-09 05:01  
@ FogCityJohn: Thank you for your acknowledgment.

Actually, it wasn't so much you that I was directing my comment toward so much as your readers here. While I cannot speak for all persons who practice or have practiced barebacking, I do speak for myself and for other like me. I went for twenty years without becoming infected. During that time I was most likely to engage in unprotected sex when I was at my lowest points mental health wise.

I've also found that many if not most in our community stigmatize people with mental health issues at least as much as people with HIV and AIDS. In my opinion, these conditions increase the likelihood of engaging in risky behaviors when they might otherwise not. I have found this to be especially true within the Asian communities. They talk even less about their MH issues including those that drive substance abuse. Not talking about them doesn't make the condition go away, it makes it more significant.

I look forward to an upcoming entry on the link between depression and risky behavior as I think that it is gravely important that we address as many contributing factors as we can in order to stem the transmission rate.
72. 2010-05-09 15:46  
@ SFPhoenix: Like you, I went for twenty years or so without becoming infected. Also like you, I became infected when I was at a low point mentally, but part of my problem was that I felt there was no one I could talk to about my intense desire for unprotected sex. The topic was (and is) so taboo and so associated with shame that I kept it to myself and kind of went underground with my "lapses." Just as you say, not talking about my problem didn't make it go away, it made it worse.

There's a good bit of research out there on the link between depression and unprotected sex. It tends to show that men have unprotected sex when they are experiencing moments of low self-esteem. Mood affects behavior, in other words. That's why the solution to this problem has to be comprehensive. We have to stop just telling gay men to use condoms and start addressing their underlying emotional and psychological needs. Let's stop attacking the symptom and try to get at the causes.

As for Asians and their willingness to talk about mental health issues, all I can say is that I have a Chinese friend here in San Francisco who marvels at how his white friends see therapists and talk about their feelings. He recently confided to me that he wants to see a therapist, but says it's something that's just not done in Chinese culture, so he feels conflicted about it. But that's a whole 'nother kettle of fish . . .
73. 2010-05-10 23:37  
hope one day there's something that can detect HIV virus out of body fluid as easy as pee stick for pregnant woman.
74. 2010-05-11 23:18  
A good article and one that comments without being judgemental, I for one, would never even consider 'barebacking' unless all the basic requirements were there in place, and one was in a very safe sexual monogamous relationship, even that has it's doubts....other then that, it would be considered 'chi lung seen' to do it irrespective of whatever the underlying existing problems are.
75. 2010-05-11 23:18  
A good article and one that comments without being judgemental, I for one, would never even consider 'barebacking' unless all the basic requirements were there in place, and one was in a very safe sexual monogamous relationship, even that has it's doubts....other then that, it would be considered 'chi lung seen' to do it irrespective of whatever the underlying existing problems are.
76. 2010-05-13 12:11  
I think one should consider to say by some here that bareback is personal choice or personal redemption if infected by HIV because others are placed at risk.

It is important not to look at the context narrowly on individual responsibility. Like some commented there are many reasons why people prefer bareback; physical pleasure, psychological reasons, even from social context like social stigma, repeal of 377a, availability and cost of test and medincine... Sex is sometime pleasurable, yet prior to sex we have so many worries and considerations and putting on the rubble itself is a burden. It either no sex or it can be so frustrating that people may just couldnt careless. Of course needless to say the choice is known.

I personally prefer bareback but for above reasons I will not oblige to no condom sex. However, I still hope while my pleasure tool is still functionable, I can see the day when having bareback without pressure of HIV .
77. 2010-05-13 14:01  
It's a matter of responsibility. As much as we'd love to pee, spit, and shit anywhere we could and to bed anyone we lust for, we don't do because we realise that everyone has a responsibility towards the society.
78. 2010-05-27 16:08  
I think you hit the nail on the head with the first paragraph. I can not maintain an erection with a condom. At all. Fortunately, I'm versatile, so I just bottom for casual encounters. I've only really topped in relationships after getting tested and once we stopped using condoms. Yes, I know there's always the risk that your partner will cheat on you, but if that's the case then HIV isn't your only problem.
79. 2010-11-04 01:34  
Is this website brave enough to lead the world forward to champion and release by every country, politcians, leaders, statesman, industry and celebrities (the latter, if we have to read about them again) and make the global community realise that being "gay" is not a choice. There are many fine people in the world and private lives are not a tabloid or boardroom issue. Thank You

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