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11 Oct 2010

New York City: 8 charged in the "most vicious anti-gay crime in the city's history"

Nine members of a street gang grabbed two 17-year-old boys and lured a 30-year-old man, who is romantically linked to the two teens, to an abandoned house where they brutally tortured and sexually abused their victims.

Eight suspects have been charged in connection with a series of brutal, anti-gay hate crimes in what was described by a city official as the "most vicious anti-gay crime in the city's history".

Eight suspects have been charged in the abductions and attacks on three men on Oct. 3.

The suspects were identified in media reports as Bryan Almonte, 17, Steven Carabello, 17, Brian Cepeda, 17, Nelson Falu, 17, Idelfonso Mendez, 23, Dennis Piters, 17, David Rivera, 21, and Elmer Confresi, 23. Charges against them include harassment, criminal possession of a weapon, unlawful imprisonment, assault, robbery and sexual abuse as hate crimes. Police have said the teenagers are being charged as adults. A ninth suspect, previously identified as 22-year-old Ruddy Vargas-Perez, remains at large.

Police say the nine members of the gang known as Latin King Goonies held three victims against their will last week – beat them in a vacant apartment and sodomised two of them. A fourth victim was beaten and robbed in connection with the attacks, New York City Police Commissioner Ray Kelly has said.

According to reports, the gang had heard a rumour one of their teenage recruits was gay and then found the teen, stripped him, beat him and sodomised him with a plunger handle until he confessed to having had sex with an older man, police say.

The New York Times described the attack in a report Lured Into a Trap, Then Tortured for Being Gay:

"The attackers forced the man to strip to his underwear and tied him to a chair, the police said. One of the teenage victims was still there, and the “Goonies” ordered him to attack the man. The teenager hit him in the face and burned him with a cigarette on his nipple and penis as the others jeered and shouted gay slurs, the police said. Then the attackers whipped the man with a chain and sodomized him with a small baseball bat.

"The beatings and robberies went on for hours. They were followed by a remarkably thorough attempt to sanitize the house — including pouring bleach down drains, the police said, as little by little word of the attacks trickled to the police. A crucial clue to the attackers was provided by someone who slipped a note to a police officer outside the crime scene, at 1910 Osborne Place in Morris Heights, near Bronx Community College."

Before setting upon their 30-year-old victim, at about 3.30am last Sunday, the group grabbed the 17-year-old and took him to the house where they tortured and abused him.

The Times reported: "He was beaten, made to strip naked, slashed with a box cutter, hit on the head with a can of beer and sodomized with the wooden handle of a plunger, the police said. And he was interrogated about the 30-year-old and asked if they had had sex.

"The teenager said that they had. The gang members set him loose, warning him to keep quiet or they would hurt his friends and family. The teenager walked into a nearby hospital and said he had been jumped by strangers on the street and robbed."

At 8.30pm the same day, the group members grabbed a second 17-year-old, beating and likewise interrogating him about his contact with the 30-year-old.

"He, too, said he had had sex with the man. They took his jewelry and held him while the 30-year-old arrived for what he thought was a party, his arms filled with 10 tall cans of Four Loko, a caffeine-infused malt liquor. He had cleaned out a store of its entire stock," the Times reported.

"He was immediately set upon and tied up. Then the assailants ordered the second teenager to attack the 30-year-old, and they joined in the beating. The beating lasted hours, the police said. The attackers forced the man to drink all 10 cans of liquor — each about twice the size of a can of beer, with a higher alcohol content, 10 percent to 12 percent, according to Four Loko’s Web site."

City officials including Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg have denounced the crimes saying: “When you hear the details of what occurred, torture really is the only word that comes to mind. I was sickened by the brutal nature of these crimes and saddened at the anti-gay bias that contributed to them,” Bloomberg said. “Hate crimes such as these strike fear into all of us.”

Christine C. Quinn, the City Council speaker, who is gay, added: “These crimes are not jokes. They are not games. They are things that eat away at the fabric of our city.”

Executive Director of the NYC Anti-Violence Project, Sharon Stapel was quoted by the Associated Press as saying: “We have to stop thinking that it’s OK to bully LGBT people or make fun of LGBT people. What we see now is the link between casual sort of comments and the real and horrific violence that results because those comments contribute to an entire culture of violence,” she said.

CNN reports that the brutal attacks are the latest in a string of some 45 alleged hate crimes in New York this year.

 

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Reader's Comments

1. 2010-10-11 20:39  
It's so painful to read this sort of news, and I can't imagine what these boys and their families are going through.
Hopefully this story re-reinforces the truth and shows more of the world that we are at a climax of gay bullying and that there needs to be a significant change in what happens as a result of these issues.

I hope this story, and the new "It Gets Better" campaign make a positive change for the LGBT community.
2. 2010-10-11 20:41  
Enough is enough!
3. 2010-10-11 21:02  
I would personally risk my own life to get hold of those who did this crime.
Any detalied information anyone can pass on about them will be welcomed. Names, addresses, specific house number, telephone, friends and family address. go for it.Bastards.

The gay mafia will eventaully get all of them. And rightly so. It is the only way to stopt them wherever they are and whatever country of culture as sick as this.

4. 2010-10-11 21:11  
One of the good way to punish these "animals" of so called the Latin King Goonies is to lock them together with gays and get gang raped by them. Perhaps they would turn into gays after that.
5. 2010-10-11 21:24  
I believe these bunch of waste shit of son of the bitch are not suppose to living in this world. Gay don't bother them, why the heal have to bother gay. Who gives them rights to condemn gays rights? Sick of trouble maker.
6. 2010-10-11 22:04  
well if they are convicted and sent to prison they probably will get sodomized as well. hope they like their 'cockmeat sandwiches' they serve inside there.
7. 2010-10-11 22:43  
sick, sick bastards.
8. 2010-10-11 23:06  
If gays, civil rights, is to much for them, why they have to immigrate, of all places, to New York? They better stay in their macho "goonies" friendly society. And I know what I talking about because I live in Central America.
9. 2010-10-11 23:11  
My God, when will these hate crimes end? This is a heart-breaking news. These guys are disgusting,uneducated and despicable! What goes around comes around. They have got to wait for their karma!
10. 2010-10-11 23:39  
Blame it to religion taught that 'gay is a sin'. They did not even realise that they are creating demons with hatred who mind people right to choose as a human being.

As long as religion rules everything in this world, there will be more anti-gay to be born.

this world do need apocalypse as reset button like a computer... it's been filled with spams and viruses!
11. 2010-10-11 23:53  
Well to think that these things happen quite frequently in the US and western countries make us think again that gay abuse does not only happen in Muslim or conservative Christian countries. At the very least, some muslim countries make it clear that public gay sex is banned, in other words, if you were caught doing it openly you will be punished.

But in the US, these so called straight bashers keep on hitting on gays without due respect for the law at all. They are bashed or even killed for no valid reasons at all....a total of 45 gay bashing cases reported in the New York City (US) this year alone, more than any cases of gays being hanged or punished in Muslim soil.

All the western media hype to portray muslim countries in the negative image, but see what have their societies done to their own gay community ??? You can see so much hypocrisy when a case of a muslim gay being hanged for committing sex with another man in public and western media will portray this news in very negative light. What about the 45 cases of gay bashings and killings happening in New York city alone or the hundreds or thousands of gay bashings in the whole of US ?? How come no one is sensationalising the news ??? And we then start to blame Americans for being uncultured or lack of religious beliefs as the main cause of such blunders??

Looking at this angle, I think Asian societies have more respect for the gay/transvestitite community. Gay bashing seldom happens here, although there are written laws against gay activities, gay relationships, bars and spas fluorish here. As long as we do not seek to expand our boundaries beyond a certain line of restrictions, we are safe.
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12. 2010-10-12 00:57  
13. 2010-10-12 00:57  
Shaw5, the kind of argument you are using makes no sense. It's like saying "in the middle age, there was high moral standars. You've rarely heard of rape or murder back then". In countries where media freedom isn't strong, there are many occurrences we never get to hear about. By that reasoning, how about saying North Korean society is fair and balanced like no other nation? Few protest happen in there. Or no hate crimes in Iran, since gays do not exist there. Do you think that police, in countries where gay men are imprisoned, harrassed by authorities and public, is even going to investigate murders based on sexual orientation and punish perpretrators?
All of this has nothing to do with East-West, Muslim-Christian, White-Brown-Yellow. It is simply a matter of targeted violence and criminality, and even though it's impossible to stop it completely while there are humans, at least there are people out there who find it unacceptable, and voice it out loud. If you believe that there is more justice and less violence towards gay people in places where they are not even regarded as citizens with basic rights, then clearly you're on a ideological holy crusade and your mind is living on a different planet.
Comment edited on 2010-10-12 01:06:10
14. 2010-10-12 01:00  
The culprits are now in prison, and they will presumably stay there for years to come. Except one --- the ringleader --- who is being sought by the police. These degenerates are from the South Bronx --- which is the worst neighborhood anywhere in New York City. Mostly Hispanic and with a "macho" culture.
15. 2010-10-12 01:01  
The culprits are now in prison, and they will presumably stay there for years to come. Except one --- the ringleader --- who is being sought by the police. These degenerates are from the South Bronx --- which is the worst neighborhood anywhere in New York City. Mostly Hispanic and with a "macho" culture.
16. 2010-10-12 01:01  
The culprits are now in prison, and they will presumably stay there for years to come. Except one --- the ringleader --- who is being sought by the police. These degenerates are from the South Bronx --- which is the worst neighborhood anywhere in New York City. Mostly Hispanic and with a "macho" culture.
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20. 2010-10-12 01:32  
i absolutely agree with har_d1
Religion is the most influential school, and is the biggest mistake on earth! It does not bring peace! The only thing that religion brings is to SEPARATE and DIVIDE people into many groups, some create hatred on one another, some create extremists, some create unnecessary pressure for the society... The only thing it provides is to give fake BS good things to us...

Not only in US, almost half of the world are gay discriminated, although they may legalized gay rights... Sometimes i too wishes the apocalypse wipe off all of us, and reset the world to zero again... Again, because religion is the most influential BS, and the biggest mistake!!!

If you ever heard of the science fact about killing one butterfly directly equals to killing ten human beings... Then you should know a religion attendee will only give more powers to any religion to produce more anti-gay people... In other words, more gay people will be abused, if there are more attendee in any religion...

So, if you are gay and you are being abused, dont blame other people... Blame yourself, because you made them powerful to support anti-gay people... It may not happen in your country, but extreme anti-gay people in other countries will indirectly influence your country... So, it will come back to the same situation...
21. 2010-10-12 01:38  
shaw, your views are so simplistic & naive. "As long as we do not seek to expand our boundaries beyond a certain line of restrictions, we are safe." Cowardly and just the kind of fear that continues to allows gay lives to be marginalized. Yet you will reap the benefits of all those who protest. Openly gay, drag queens and transvestites. So sad you are.
22. 2010-10-12 01:53  
Is it me but there seems to be a sudden increase in the number of hate crimes, gay suicides of late? o_O

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24. 2010-10-12 02:30  
the news is soo sad....i only hope things will gets better....
25. 2010-10-12 02:35  
The homophobes are constantly going on about the gays being paedophiles, criminals and whatever other names they have. But take a good look right now World. Look at who are the people committing these crimes.

Seriously, it doesn't even concern any part of them or even their lives. Just lead your their life and care about their own business. They can't even take care of their own life and they want to mess up people's life.

How does someone being gay concerns them? Afraid that homosexuals might fall for them? Then in that case, just leave homosexuals alone.

If a person starts with a punch, it's only natural for the other party to hit back.

Hate crime criminals should be punished for that is considered murder.
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27. 2010-10-12 02:59  
#16: Yr mention of the ''macho Hispanic culture' triggered something I've noticed (on social networking sites): that many of these US & Latin Hispanic males are -more often than not, Hitler & Nazi-worshippers...some admire the Imperial Japanese too...could that have something to do...in a psychological sense at least, with their behavior???
28. 2010-10-12 03:07  
This is very sad indeed. Somehow I have the feeling it's proportional to what is going on in the world. There's more and more violence. Something is shifting. And once again, if those Latino macho do not really call for sympathy, we have to be careful not to indulge in hate even against them because it would like running in a vicious circle. We really have to gather all the positive things we have and bring them to the fore. Not fight hate by hate.
29. 2010-10-12 03:26  
I believe that blaming religion is, for once, way off the mark. Seeing the sort of lowlifes we're dealing with here, I wouldn't be surprised they've never set foot in a place of worship.
Lack of education, or none at all, which in turn breeds ignorance, is clearly the issue in the present case. Isn't this what gang "culture" is all about? Animals without moral values and with a penchant for gratuitous violence which hunt in packs because they rightly have such low self-esteem they know they're nothing as individuals.
I would take pity on them if they were not so very despicable.
30. 2010-10-12 03:43  
#28: That's really kind & noble of you....but do be practical. Rgds.
31. 2010-10-12 03:44  
Horrible crime and sad story, especially in New York City, one of the most gay-friendly and open cities in the world. I was shock by the news. It's like going backward for the gay movements. Something must to be done to change it, reflecting the arising hate crime recently.
32. 2010-10-12 04:43  
let me guess, these criminals will be using religion / God to justify their action in court! :)

33. 2010-10-12 04:50  
So few didn't react by anger and calling for revenge... I sent a heart to all of you guys.
34. 2010-10-12 05:23  
@ #32: While religion's influence is an undeniably strong factor in homophobic attacks, it's highly unlikely in this case here...those are 'gangsta' ghetto kids/gangs which is VERY homophobic even in the absence of religion...as some posters have noted, machismo reigns supreme in such neighbourhoods...which isn't the least bit surprising....notice what they're wearing? Hip-hop garb...how does hip-hop music sound? I think we all know the answer here...

#33: If you don't feel anger for such inhuman things happening to innocent people, then pardon my honesty - you're aren't quite human in yr heart.
35. 2010-10-12 06:26  
bains... you are quite right... the ghetto is a schizophrenic place... on one side, the black and latino pentecostal churches preaching gays will burn in hell and, on the other, the gangsta culture whose hip-hop and rap music is imbued with some of the most hateful and violent homophobic lyrics imaginable.

caught between its two sides, the ghetto is hardly fertile ground for gay tolerance or even simple rationality ... but neither is it representative of the USA as a whole... the american news media (which has given extensive coast-to-coast coverage of the gay bashings and gay suicides) and the american public are quite rightly appalled that such crimes have occurred... the wave of pro-gay sympathy is at least one small consolation from these episodes of barbarity

i would contrast this with the guy who was stomped to death for flashing his willy in a public loo in singapore a few years ago... "he got what he deserved" seems to have been the general public reaction... even some gays agreed... sad
36. 2010-10-12 06:33  
Do we blame these people, what they know and and how they see Gay is not how we see it, let not be selfish here, these guys might have acted wrongly, but what we do is an Habit that has been over blown, look at what happened in europe, i personally do not support these Gay pride parade, instead of us to lay low like we do not exist, we come put our hands in their face and say we are Gay, these society we live in was formed with our Gay, nature did not even approve what we do, it took human government to pass us to law, so is that natural.

America was founded on a principles of morality, excuse me, between me and you in yoru heart, if u were not Gay, u will act like these teens.

Alot of things are being done wrong and we gay will face more problem, to solve it, stop putting a finger in their eyes, they responde with voilence and they are more than Gay.
37. 2010-10-12 07:23  
colegarcia... and of course blacks, women, any minority, etc should similarly shut up and pretend to be invisible?

u seem to suggest that "morality" is limited to sex... so torturing these gay guys is moral but them having sex with each other is immoral?? hmmmmm.... what an, um, interesting value system u have! .... i suspect you were designed for the 17th century, not the 21st.

one little quibble: it is very natural for homosexuals to be homosexuals just as it's very natural for heterosexuals to be heterosexuals... what is unnatural is homosexuals pretending to be heterosexual

38. 2010-10-12 08:02  
Post #33. Angered, me? that's saying it mildly, sir. No, I'm outright incandescent that those animals would deliberately and premeditatedly perpetrate such an ignoble act of violence on people.

Now, putting things into perspective, I suppose you wouldn't be as cool as cucumber if the victims were among your loved ones.
Empathy. It never hurt to have some.
39. 2010-10-12 08:17  
@pheramones, if gay is natural, why do u need a government to protect you, why where u not already in exsitance and familiar with the heterrosexual from the start.

In the case of black, they exsited long ago, they have their own land, it is our fore father that went to bring them to where we were, women have being in exsitance and nature gave them pussy for birth and sex.

But we, we convery anus or anal mearnt for discharging our waste to our own pussy and fuck it.

so see difference, if u are not being self centred what happened in serbai should open your eyes
40. 2010-10-12 08:20  
we have human right fight for gay right, but do they fight for people who use and record their fellow humans in the name of making porn films, that is insult and be littling your fellow human like the slave and master era
41. 2010-10-12 08:21  
we have human right fight for gay right, but do they fight for people who use and record their fellow humans in the name of making porn films, that is insult and be littling your fellow human like the slave and master era
42. 2010-10-12 08:31  
(As usual, this wasn't reported by the news here in Italy, or the priests would have been turned on too much by the idea of getting some 17yo boy naked... and the Church wouldn't allow that...)

I think those gang guys should consider the whole gay issue in a different way. First, they surely enjoyed what they did. And if they enjoy sodomizing gay men, they are kinda gay too, even if in a sick and perverted way.

Second, because people of the same sex understand each other better, maybe they should consider being gay as a better way to enhance their manhood. If they like girls so much, why don't they start playing with dolls and wearing their mothers' clothes?

As a man, loving other men i love myself. If i hated the sight of a male body, i would hate my own body, and myself as well. If they can't stand men enjoying each other and their time together, what is a "gang" supposed to be? What is the point for them to be together? If they love being tough and manly and showing off their manhood with violence, they just need to play some wrestling, and some sex all together after!

They want to be real men, they are actually less men than the gays they hate! Cause gays have guts to be what they want to be! And they only try to be what others expect them to be. Losers!

43. 2010-10-12 09:06  
i was speechless when i was watching the news!
so sad! why they could use such a terrible way to treat other human beings! unbelievable!
44. 2010-10-12 09:08  
The recent gay hate crime as reported here is one of the reasons why I moved to Asia 24 years ago.HK and now in Taiwan. I was born in NYC & lived there until 1986.

On the night before I left NYC for Asia I was mugged and robbed of USD 2000 which was to be pocket money for my trip. So you can all well imagine how I felt getting on a 18 hour flight the next morning after being attacked the night before.

The USA and in my case NYC was a great place at one time to live but those days are gone thanks to the government. They allow the most low class,uneducated bottom feeders of 3rd & 4th world countries into the USA with most of them settling in the ghettos of major cities like NYC,SF,LA and Chicago.

They go on welfare which means the government supports them so they have plenty of time on their hands to think up sick acts like this one.Add to this that probably some of them are gay to begin with and cannot deal with this reality so they take it out on gay men who are out and proud.

The bottom line in all of this is simple and sad.They will get maximum 16-25 years in prison, where they will have gay sex,then come out and continue with these hate crimes. So until America stops allowing these cretins into the country it will continue.
45. 2010-10-12 09:21  
Seem like most of these suspects are around 17 y/o age bracket. This says a lot about society they are growing up in. Surely this is reason enough for some solid change in our societies!
46. 2010-10-12 09:31  
People should stop hiding under the fact that, boys play with dolls when they are small and wear their sister clothes. thos are the only defence for us, it remains a bad habit, i do not support what the gand did, but is what we do, natural?
47. 2010-10-12 09:37  
i remember when i was 16 and was wearing girl stuff, i used to carry stones inside my shoulder bag....
these violent boys deserve to put behind bars forever and be sodomized by our inmate gay brothers with huge cock!!!!
48. 2010-10-12 09:42  
this is so outrageous and saddening.... to all may gay brothers, please always take care!!!!
49. 2010-10-12 10:31  
In response to #46 whose to say what is and what is not natural? I am also curious why you consider boys playing with dolls or wearing their sisters clothes a "bad habit". Where is it written that there are rules to be followed in life for either gay men or women?Sure you are gay as that is not natural if you go by what society says.
50. 2010-10-12 11:11  
I really hope those goons get their due desserts and that society gets serious about putting a stop to all this anti-gay violence, but all those who commented that they are wishing sodomy (rape) on the perpetrators in prison are really no better than the gang members.
51. 2010-10-12 11:20  
I know what I'm about to say may come across uncivilized. But for the first time, I can't help to feel that the justified capital punishment would be torturing them the same way they committed on their victims. Life imprisonment or lethal injection are just too mild to compensate the torture their victims went through.
52. 2010-10-12 11:21  
As the saying goes, "What goes around, comes around" Hope these guys get a little taste of their own medicine in prison. This "macho" stuff is just plain ignorant. I understand about survival and gang mentality of follow the crowd,but being macho and being a man and doing these kind of things to other human beings is totally unjustified.
Animals fight over power to survive. We are not animals.
53. 2010-10-12 11:27  
Bravo to # 52 comments.Anyone who wants to see one of the best movies I have ever seen about gangs and the conflict of gay men within these gangs should view SHANK.It is a British film on DVD that truly gets into the problems of gangs and gay men who try to come out.
54. 2010-10-12 11:57  
pheramones and TT_monster: i can't make up my mind whether you're hot because you've got the looks or the brains -- it's verrry hard since you've got both
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58. 2010-10-12 13:25  
#39
Natural or unnatural, its up to you... If everyone thinks that gay is unnatural, then it will be unnatural ; If everyone thinks that gay is natural, then it will be natural... The force of the society is powerful enough to make things their own way... So, if you want the society to recognize gay, the first thing you have to do is to recognize yourself as gay...

#52
we are animals, we do fight for powers to survive, without power, we will be just like gay people in some countries where gay do not even exist there, because some government have full power over homosexuality...
59. 2010-10-12 13:29  
I hope the victims are ok and coping with their trauma. I hope there will be a world of non-violence, even though I feel quite mad about what those guys did (and what hate crimes that go on every day in many places), my response cannot be violent, not even violent words.
Gotta lobby the authorities to keep a lid on this hate.
60. 2010-10-12 14:09  
@28: I never believed in violence, and responding to violence by more violence doesn't make us any better than the people we criticise and whose actions we condemn. I'm as disgusted by their actions as you are. And the first instinct would be to go "yeah, let them rot in prison", or "yeah, let them experience what they inflicted on their victims". I know. I have been attacked as well by a gang (only 8...) Fortunately, I was saved by the bell when a police car passed by and put an end to what would have been less than pleasant an experience. It went to court, the guys had previously attempted to rape a girl. But then, I didn't wish to see them burn in hell either. Nor did the girl. We didn't get, hurt, but the situation when you're helpless and you know that you're done is quite traumatic. But I do say it again, responding by violence, even by thought, isn't the solution. It doesn't mean giving up, it means bringing a more positive way to see things, then expanding that chain of negative events. Sounds too spiritual? sounds too out of this world? Possibly. But I'm one of those who still believe that there are other ways than waging wars against each other. C'est tout.
61. 2010-10-12 14:39  
i get so outraged when i hear of such things happening...when is the lgbt going to band together and say "enough is enough"?
62. 2010-10-12 15:48  
Its a bonus it happened in the USA they dont play games with sentencing look for 20 years in the lock up...and when those 17yo boys get out of jail expect them to know all about sodomy from a first hand perspective!
63. 2010-10-12 15:48  
Its a bonus it happened in the USA they dont play games with sentencing look for 20 years in the lock up...and when those 17yo boys get out of jail expect them to know all about sodomy from a first hand perspective!
64. 2010-10-12 15:59  
I found myself crying reading this news. The attacker really have no hearts. I hope the 2 teenager and the 30-years old victim are fine and recovering as of now.
65. 2010-10-12 16:22  
@60: I don't like wars too! Touching lives with love is a better solution if we want to live in harmony on this planet.
66. 2010-10-12 17:20  
Good luck to the abusers when they go to jail.
67. 2010-10-12 19:30  
#60. Typo there, or were you replying to your own previous post?
All those comments championing love and understanding as the foundation for a better world bathed in sunshine and rainbows are quite touching. And I have to say that reading yours, all sarcasm put aside, was refreshing and thought-provoking.

However, it dawned on me that either I'm a hopeless cynic, or this is really not Care Bear Wonderland. I've never expressed my wish for an equally violent retribution against these criminals, though according to some who seem more familiar with the US carceral system, this is very likely to happen.
And if it does happen, I certainly won't lose any sleep over it.
All things said, perhaps I'll get wiser in time.

I'm truly sorry to hear what trauma you went through, and glad you were left unharmed.Keep the comments coming!
Prends soin de toi.
68. 2010-10-12 19:35  
Enough is enough.
69. 2010-10-12 21:05  
Previously on "Law & Order: SVU"
70. 2010-10-12 21:20  
really.. enough IS enough- it's time we stand up and fight back and show them we are not going to put up with shit like this. This enrages me.
71. 2010-10-12 21:20  
really.. enough IS enough- it's time we stand up and fight back and show them we are not going to put up with shit like this. This enrages me.
72. 2010-10-12 21:45  
whyyyyyyyyy
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74. 2010-10-12 23:41  
#37 pheramones: "...what is unnatural is homosexuals pretending to be heterosexual" Now that's a good one! :p

#60: Merci pour votre opinion...mais pour moi, les victimes sont peuple aussi. It's nice & noble of you to show such consideration...and almost Christ-like forgiveness of spirit...toward people who show violence to you, as you recounted- and I admire you for that. Bt please, for once, try stepping out of your ivory tower...and empathize from the victims' families & friends...their loved ones are ABUSED. In the most astroundingly cruel manner.
I'm sorry to say this, but in this context, yr preaching does sound more than a tad patronising.
75. 2010-10-13 00:48  
GLBT- Fight, Stay United and LOVE & Be LOVED! Nothing else matters!

Discrimination NEVER needs a justification. It's an age old vice passed down since Adam met Steve in the garden of PRIDE. GLBT-Unite and stay Vigilant. The Devil is not 666 feet under. He's been all around us in your face. He's someone you may/may not know. He's your family, your neighbor, your co-workers, your so called church and so called fellow brothers & sisters. Nothing would please them more than SAVING your gay soul and they will never stop trying until they succeed; cos their own souls are already damned for eternity.

Remember damnit, we too have a WIDE stance on this God given earth for all creations. :)
76. 2010-10-13 02:33  
dear ones,

I agree with two persons here:

No. 70:

"really.. enough IS enough- it's time we stand up and fight back and show them we are not going to put up with shit like this. This enrages me."

and

No. 60: "I never believed in violence, and responding to violence by more violence doesn't make us any better than the people we criticise and whose actions we condemn. I'm as disgusted by their actions as you are. And the first instinct would be to go "yeah, let them rot in prison", or "yeah, let them experience what they inflicted on their victims". I know..."

Also I strongly disagree with some others here who use this horrible situation for making nasty comments about immigrants and betraying a similar racial or class prejudice. If we do this, then we become like our enemies.

I believe that God (or another earth based spiritual system) will make a judgement on these criminals and punish them and they will suffer for a million thousand centuries.

I believe, that we should be peaceful and have peaceful protests and civil disobediance to fight for our equal rights along with the equal rights of others.

I believe too, that being passive invites more violence against us and is a sign of weakness. I was in the Stonewall Riots in NYC and in anti war protests in the US. Maybe we will not change the world by our protests but the world will change us surely.

Peace, Freedom, Tolerance and Justice, which means that these criminals will suffer the full penalty of the law. Fight for your rights!
77. 2010-10-13 03:18  
#76: Faith means not wanting to know what's true.
78. 2010-10-13 14:14  
I am in total agreement with ShawS. Being Malaysian I understand exactly where ShawS is coming from.. we may still have these ancient British laws which makes sodomy a crime.. but at least we do not have gay bashing or hate crimes. Nothing is 100 % perfect but we Asians currently seem to have more respect for our fellow man and their sexual preferences.
79. 2010-10-13 15:59  
LOL what a Joke .. do this guys even know what's coming for them in Jail ..
SOME SWEET BOY PUSSY for the inmates in prison ...
80. 2010-10-13 18:20  
While religion did not perhaps play a part directly in this unfortunate incident, you can't deny the fact that religion does in fact play a huge part in the social and cultural aspect of any community.

They may not have some religious figure preaching to them directly about hate, but they grew up in a community surrounded by that hate. The influence is there, whether or not they recognise it consciously or not.
81. 2010-10-13 19:41  
A wry grin crossed my face when I read the "tongue in cheek" reference to a "Gay MAFIA".......hmmmmm.......maybe not such a bad idea.......lots of PINK DOLLARS out there to help defend the CLAN.....!!!!
After all, we all like a "hit" and a "bang" now and then....LOL!!
drdlh (no.78) is quite correct. So far - this would never ever happen in lovely Malaysia or indeed Asia!
Comment edited on 2010-10-13 19:52:05
82. 2010-10-13 19:54  
What the hell with those guys?! Such of freak and they suppose to get death sentence without any argument!
83. 2010-10-13 21:42  
Least its not as disturbing as those poor gay guys in conservative middle eastern countries where your chance of survival is nil. Getting stoned is one thing but getting humiliated before death by an angry, narrow minded crowd is not something you want to picture yourself in.

Anyway i just read through some articles regarding the dead violinist in our local paper and believe me....im just disgusted that the main focus was not on sexuality or cyber bullying but more on privacy issues...god grow up people...even one guy mention that just suck it up when things happen. Just grow a fucking brain stem for once and think through what these teens had to suffer before someone had to realize its more than an issue. I doubt it would make much of a difference if a gay local teen commit suicide because we all know how media just twist it to appear as a normal suicide.
84. 2010-10-14 13:41  
in this day and age, it's sad to know lgbt is still considered an unwelcomed part of the society, even in the city of NY. what makes this news frightening is the suspects are still in their teens and early 20s. to think that the new generation would be more acceptable to people's choice of lifestyle. i do hope the victims would be able to get some justice so they can live the rest of their lives in peace.
85. 2010-10-14 14:46  
@Bains: You live in Singapore, don't you? Anyway, just be aware that torture and violence are something I could never understand. Being an immigrant and gay and many more things certainly didn't spare me from being the target of bullying and racist behaviour. And also be aware that I'm from Vietnam, a country where I and thousands of other people lost beloved to atrocities committed by their own kind. And there was no one to empathise with our situation. So I do know a thing or two about violence, injustice and brutality. But hate and anger aren't something I want to live with. So I make a choice. That's all. That's why I advocate compassion. I will say it again and again, it will lead nowhere to fight hate by hate. I'm totally aware of what is going in the world. Quite on the contrary. And by no am I oblivious to the pain and suffering of those victims.
I will not gain many friends saying this, but I find it's easy to stay behind one's desk and get outraged at what is going in another country or on TV. Because after that, life goes on for us... as normal, as usual. So who's in an ivory tower?
86. 2010-10-14 19:16  
87. 2010-10-14 19:42  
Well here we go again another "GAY HATE CRIME" as the Americans paint it. Does everyone remember Matthew Shepard. When will governments throughout the world acknowledge that most of these situations are caused due to religious beliefs or just plain ignorance. America has a constitution which states you have freedom of speech & expression. Look at the website GODHATESFAGS & you will see why this sort of unatural behaviour happens. Its with the corrupt church's that is where it is bred, an organisation where its taught to HATE FAGS as the Westboro Church preaches. Here in Australia we have gutless politicians that wont assist the gay community yet we as Australian's are seen as a tolerant nation to all cultures religions & preferences. These bottom feeders (Latin King Goonies) will only encourage others to follow their gutless attacks. When we have the Church continually degrading the Gay lifestyle. Being Gay is not an illness, my belief is that it is a choice we all make. The church attempts to label us as Pedophiles when we know from current times it is the church who hide such practices within their own ranks. An attack on a Gay person here in Australia especially here in Sydney would get the perpetrator a slap on the wrist due to our pissweak judicial system. Australia is falling way behind most of the developed world when it comes to Gay issues. Look at places like Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia sections of the Middle East where to be seen as Gay you are punished in no uncertain terms. Some of the most powerful & influential people on this planet are Gay but hide their supposed perverted lifestyles due to persecution, I call this gutless. Its time that organisations like the church backed off our lifestyle choice realise that they don't own any of us........... more to come
88. 2010-10-14 23:04  
This is really sad, and really hits home for me as I have a lot of gay friends in NYC. Peer pressure is an unbelievably dangerous thing. I know that gangs are the extreme case, but how can we influence today's youth to be non-violent. If it's a problem in NYC, then it is a problem most everywhere in the world. I'd like to have faith in humanity, but I can't. To look on the bright side, things to this extreme are fairly rare. But a piece of our heart should be burned from this. These scars can remind us of the sacrifices of our brothers and sisters.
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90. 2010-10-15 15:48  
~NYC the greatest city in the world~ welllll I'm only quoting the David Letterman show,
obviously all those gay pride marches in NYC over the years don't acheive much, better funded education especially targetted in NYCies low income tribal areas would help more, it's sad as these kind of random attacks further entrench fear and victimhood amongst those targeted minorities they are aimed at also sad is the kind of hatred the perpetrators of these crimes hold in their minds, there is always solutions for problems best NYC Gay groups, legislators & educators find them
91. 2010-10-18 12:13  
I like the the idea of a gay mafia. Is it time to get organised and fight back across all levels of society? Many religious and political organisations do this - insert their sympathisers into government and other social organisations in order to inject their views and influence on wider society. So why no the gays too? After all, many fundie christians already harp on about some subversive "gay agenda"...

I don't mean fight in a terrorism/violence sense either. I mean social subversion - constant subtle and not so subtle reminders of the existence of non-heterosexuals, and the inequalities we put up with, despite our continual contributions to society.

I think there is a level of this happening in Singapore already. Many local theatrical productions make mention of gay-related issues including the well-deserved pisstakes on topical issues like our beloved Feminist Mentor.

The recent national day campaign "Be Loud Be Proud" is an absolute tongue-in-coup!!!

Over public displays like pride marches are one thing. Perhaps the current generation needs to try working within the systems.

Hate speeches get mysteriously twisted. Hate-mongering churches get their pamphlets printed with a hidden naughty error, neo-con political broadcasts get interrupted by technical faults...
92. 2010-10-18 12:15  
Oooo ............ "Feminist Mentor suffers hairdressing disaster on eve of anti-gay speech"
93. 2010-10-23 13:47  
I felt sad reading this...
However I believe that the culprits would get their well deserved punishment from the law. :D
Why couldn't people understand that gays are also humans and should not be discriminated? Why humans are unable to put aside their differences and live together. Is this world too small to hold all different kinds of people? Or is it people's fear of whats different from them causing them to do such horrific acts?
This does not only applies to gays. There are many cases of toture due to different races or different religion since the past. The world is getting more civilised and advanced, but when will the people catch up with the world. :(
94. 2010-12-19 08:21  
@ shitzutonka: LOL..nice . ;-)

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